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this is baked and black with your host

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Network and a GRA with global radio

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we need your help to get to the year

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to black with Jimmy judge only game

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fade to black the spoke radio for the

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masses happy Halloween

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three hundred and four days into the new

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year just 61 days left we are live from

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a bunker somewhere in downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States

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kids are attend there to and fro back

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cracking everybody how you doing it's

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Halloween really glad that you chose to

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spend your your Halloween evening with

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book and it's all about Sherlock Holmes

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and Jack the Ripper yeah man

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that's how you spend the Halloween right

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there tomorrow night live from the UK we

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have Hugh Newman here to talk about his

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more fake newsroom live the Colin

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and hang out with us we use TweetDeck

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conversations over there so just use a

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the conversations are amazing there we

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contest that's going to be tomorrow

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not what you need the unity workshops

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everything that has been put together

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about it's not about us it's about you

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producers writers right any experiences

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you need is over a Jimmy Church radios

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Jimmy Church radio and the links are

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there you can sign up at the unity

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project.org you can contact John at

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modern masters org and of course Rita

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contact in the desert 2018 now has a new

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community out there alright so you can

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go to contact in the desert calm we have

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the links over at Jimmy church radio

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that you need now it's air-conditioned

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handicap accessibility a nice beautiful

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courtesy of bearing optics and all the

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our next events coming up February 9th

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birthday to today by the way Vanilla Ice

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also today Beastie Boy a Drock Adam

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Horowitz

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our dead guys birthday today is John

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Candy yeah

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bums me out 1950 to 1994 died at the

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tender young age of 43 and listen to

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this I went through I didn't do it all

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right

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it's just did you know a few select

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movies but listen to this the Blues

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Brothers Uncle Buck 1941 stripes the

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great outdoors summer rental Spaceballs

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planes trains and automobiles national

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lampoon's vacation the rescuers down

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under Cool Runnings wagons East

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who's Harry crumb and Canadian bacon

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right his best though out of all of them

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and almost thinking where to waiter like

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obviously Spaceballs right no well okay

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I gotta go with Johnny LaRue SCTV man

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John Candy his best quote I'll camera to

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throw it out here

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I want your I want your quotes yeah

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thank you for that Karen very cool very

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tasty gif right there

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the best John Candy quote give me yours

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because I'm gonna Dahmer to do mine

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right now are you ready orange whip

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orange whip

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happy birthday on this day in history oh

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TD 1938 oh wait a minute

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I didn't do a that that's from last

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night there's my show notes I was all

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wrapped up today with the terror attack

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right in New York and got sucked into it

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and I've been talking a lot over the

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last few years now about the news right

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not in a fear porn sort of way just in a

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way of how to read it how to watch it

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how to deal with it and so last week I

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posted a series of comments over on my

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Facebook page about the daily headlines

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and it seems that every single day we

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have the biggest news breaking in the

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history of the world it's absolutely

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insane as crazy as that statement may be

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and it's bold and it's strong and I get

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that but it's actually true every day

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it's the biggest news ever every single

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day how do we do this how does the

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mainstream media pull this off every

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single day and I've been warning you

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right I've been warning you watch right

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just watch now I need you to think about

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tomorrow in advance by the way because

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it's like this although I could list the

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headline of every single day over the

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last year I could do it right now right

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I can't because it would take three

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hours to read and the show was only

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three hours long you would have 365

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bombastic huge headlines each one

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topping the day before

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it's it's gotten to the point now that

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these headlines are getting bigger and

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bigger and bolder but and if you think

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about it in no particular order in no

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particular order in the last two months

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we've had there hurricanes hitting Texas

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and Florida and destroying nearly every

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island in the Caribbean think about that

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for a second huge leveling entire

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islands nobody who lives there anymore

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think about that think about what

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happened to Puerto Rico Florida the keys

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right Houston Texas think about that for

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a second we had that we had two

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earthquakes devastating Mexico City

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remember that probably don't

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how about North Korea and the impending

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nuclear war we now have three carrier

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battle groups sitting off of the coast

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of North Korea we've flown our b-52s out

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of this country they're now sitting in

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Guam b-2 bombers out of this country

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sitting in Guam getting ready b-1 bomber

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Lancers getting ready right now remember

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those headlines that was just last week

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we have the Las Vegas shooting 59 people

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killed biggest mass shooting in the

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United States history just happened

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right three weeks ago the conspiracy

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behind that it is buried in the news you

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know in the past week the Mueller

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investigation which has been going on

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long enough right

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remember call me being fired right was

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this an impeachable offense huge news

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inserting Mueller Mueller turning around

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and and doing all of the ransacking

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homes and invading homes and and

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searching and searching seizure and then

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you know this past week

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investigation in the arrests that

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happened yesterday how about the NFL

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right taking a knee how big they

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dominated you know think about this

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Harvey Weinstein Syria Iran Russia Spain

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how about Obamacare WikiLeaks ransomware

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ransomware taking down all of the

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country companies in Europe in Russia

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think about this the hacking that is

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going on right now

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how about Equifax half of the United

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States populations personal information

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down to social security numbers was

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exposed and and is now for sale right

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now right now with the dark web think

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about this it's been the last two just

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the last two months keeping us all

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twisted up we don't know what's going on

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anymore and in between all of those

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headlines there's another thirty that

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I've forgotten it's gotten that

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effective and between all of the ones

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that I have forgotten and the ones that

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I have listed we've got the daily tweets

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from Trump messing with everybody

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keeping us just our head on a swivel we

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don't know what's real anymore the fake

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news right

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it's got everybody in Washington DC

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fighting everybody they've over lava we

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don't even know who works there anymore

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right all of that in and out the

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revolving doors to craziness the

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finger-pointing the world right now the

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world doesn't know what's going on it's

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insane

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I

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said that Monday yesterday would bring

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the arrests the biggest news of the year

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the biggest news of the year topping

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everything else

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topping Puerto Rico in Florida and and

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in Houston Texas

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Las Vegas think about this

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that was yesterday and I said and I said

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that you would forget the news from

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yesterday I guaranteed it you would

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forget the news from last week and you

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know what that's easy enough to predict

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because I'm not the amazing Kreskin now

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far from it but I had also said that the

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news on Tuesday today would bring

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another headline that would erase the

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Mueller arrests from your mind and you

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know what it happened it happened today

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we got the terror attack in Manhattan

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think about this as tragic as it is

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eight people have died horrible horrible

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but it was predictable what is truly

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amazing is this throughout the day today

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as the news broke and I caught it I

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caught it literally minutes after it

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happened I was right there I had no news

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I had nothing but a truck running amuck

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in Manhattan I started with that and and

440
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I reported on it all day okay and I

441
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stayed on top of it seconds after things

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were breaking I confirmed by vetted I

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posted I stayed on top of it and I chose

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to do that it's significant it's

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Manhattan it's New York City and I

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understand that so I wanted to make sure

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that everybody out there that didn't

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have access to the news maybe they're at

449
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work went what have you that for those

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that are just hanging out on Facebook

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and Twitter but I would bust this news

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and I would get it out there hopefully

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first and I would stay accurate and

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that's what I did but you know what

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throughout the day through all of the

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news services and all of the wires and

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everything that I was monitoring today

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and I was alone in the bunker I was able

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to concentrate and and and get things

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done stay on the phones and and just

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make sure that I had accurate reporting

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today but you know what you know what

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was missing today in the news there was

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not one mention of Mueller of mana fort

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of gates a Papadopoulos yesterday this

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was the biggest news ever in the history

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of everything yesterday right think

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about that for a second every mainstream

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news outlet yesterday everyone right

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left center every single once said the

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exact same thing it was the biggest news

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ever and today we have a new name and

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it's not Mueller man afford gates are

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Papadopoulos nope

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it's sy fool oh sigh pause it's the

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worst terror attack in New York City

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since 9/11 and as tragic as the story is

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it's the perfect headline to erase the

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day before it's very very effective and

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it happened now here we are today is

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history rewriting itself is something

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going on is something happening here

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that we need to be aware of I'm not sure

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00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:30,340
what is happening I do know that the

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build of headlines of news of tragedy of

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news of things grows every single day I

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don't know how we topped Harvey in

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Houston I don't know how we did I don't

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know how we top

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Puerto Rico we did you know what

491
00:25:59,509 --> 00:25:55,590
happened in Mexico City was just it's

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unbelievable and in Las Vegas fifty nine

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people dead a conspiracy a single

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shooter from the Mandalay Bay from the

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32nd floor kills 59 concert goers with

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machine guns right tragic it's gone from

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the news gone that is how effective it

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is and how to top an investigation into

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corruption into our own government and

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what is going on right now and the

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arrests that were made yesterday no

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matter what you believe or what your

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affiliations are with it doesn't matter

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that is really big news either you are

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for it or against it you're crying lies

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and you're crying uranium one in Killary

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or you're crying you know against Trump

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00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:56,759
it doesn't matter the headline itself is

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00:27:03,499 --> 00:27:00,440
huge how is that going to get erased I

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00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:03,509
guarantee you barely remember that that

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00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:06,360
even happened yesterday how do you do

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00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:09,690
that you do that with this today now I

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00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:13,860
ask you and I'm serious what is tomorrow

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00:27:18,820 --> 00:27:18,059
going to bring what could possibly top

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00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:18,830
this

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00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:21,929
what could possibly top the events of

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the last two months every single day I

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00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:31,070
don't get it I really don't

519
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:34,830
so with that happy Halloween everybody

520
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:37,559
happy Halloween let's get this party

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00:27:44,299 --> 00:27:41,340
started tonight Randy Williams is here

522
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:44,309
we are going to have some fun tell some

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00:27:51,019 --> 00:27:47,580
stories about Sherlock Holmes and Jack

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00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,029
the Ripper so get comfortable let's

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disconnect let's do this alright

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00:27:58,580 --> 00:27:55,889
tomorrow

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we'll discuss the headlines tonight it's

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Jack the Ripper

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00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:03,169
with Randy William stay right there I'll

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be right back

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595
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,290
hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

596
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you're listening to Jimmy George

597
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what up this is combat and realism in

598
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the Jimmy Church radio

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[Music]

600
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:18,010
all right welcome back feed the black

601
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:20,950
happy Halloween everybody happy

602
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,809
Halloween

603
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:24,159
glad you're spending your night with us

604
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:27,299
right here on fade to black

605
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,250
little sugar overload you know I'm doing

606
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:33,279
it tonight our guest is Randy Williams

607
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:35,110
he's a Pennsylvania based private

608
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:37,140
investigator and describes himself as

609
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:40,330
follows I'm a fighter and a lover a

610
00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:43,720
lover martial arts a lover of true crime

611
00:32:49,769 --> 00:32:46,270
novels a lover of word puzzles lover of

612
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,779
things Italian lover of wine horses

613
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:52,480
travel and foreign languages women lover

614
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,460
of Chinese culture and above all lover

615
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:57,039
of mystery kind of sounds like me right

616
00:33:01,950 --> 00:32:58,980
he's the owner well aside from the

617
00:33:04,139 --> 00:33:01,960
martial arts side of things but I do

618
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:04,149
watch out Bruce Lee movies he's the

619
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:06,130
owner of black stallion security and

620
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:07,659
investigations and the founder of the

621
00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:09,970
close range combat academy a worldwide

622
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,580
martial arts organization with branches

623
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:14,799
in the United States UK Europe and Asia

624
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:17,230
he has written nine books on the Chinese

625
00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:20,049
martial art of Wing Chun gun foo and

626
00:33:24,690 --> 00:33:22,630
Sherlock Holmes and the autumn of terror

627
00:33:26,490 --> 00:33:24,700
which is his second venture into

628
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:26,500
fictional writing tonight we're gonna

629
00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:28,330
discuss his new book about Holmes and

630
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:30,520
the greatest set of crimes known in

631
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:32,380
history the brutal murders perpetrated

632
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:35,980
by the criminal who became known as Jack

633
00:33:39,149 --> 00:33:37,990
the Ripper and I would like to walk know

634
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:39,159
the first time to fade to black

635
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,140
author Randy Williams Randy good evening

636
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:45,480
hi Jimmy how are you I mean all the

637
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:47,790
weight power happy happy salmon or

638
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:49,470
salmon or how do you pronounce that ah

639
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:52,470
close enough that's how I pronounce it

640
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:54,270
alright yeah yeah good enough how you

641
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,700
doing Randy happy Halloween now you get

642
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:01,620
the first time guest disclaimer tonight

643
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:03,450
so let's get that out of the way first

644
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,900
the disclaimer is it's just you and I

645
00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:08,280
sitting on my couch having a

646
00:34:11,899 --> 00:34:09,960
conversation as friends where the

647
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:11,909
conversation starts it starts where it

648
00:34:17,899 --> 00:34:14,250
ends it ends but we're gonna end as

649
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:17,909
friends you ready to go so this means

650
00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:20,760
I'm not gonna get rogen eyes ah man you

651
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:24,270
went right there out of the gate yeah

652
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:26,250
that was uh that was pretty painful no

653
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:29,130
you know I have a I have a different set

654
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:31,770
of morals and standards that I run with

655
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:34,260
over here and it's called respect so

656
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,419
there you go yeah you always all guests

657
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:41,460
have my respect on this show and you

658
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:44,070
know look it's okay this is the truth

659
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:48,330
Randy it is okay to ask questions to

660
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:53,250
debate to have fun and to learn with a

661
00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:55,470
guest all of that is okay but you do

662
00:35:00,080 --> 00:34:57,600
that with respect you know that's all

663
00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:00,090
it's that simple that's all you do you

664
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:02,040
know you just when you invite somebody

665
00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:04,650
over you know he he does his podcast

666
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,600
from his home right here in the valley

667
00:35:12,830 --> 00:35:09,060
you know up the road in Bell Canyon and

668
00:35:15,740 --> 00:35:12,840
so you invite somebody into your home

669
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:15,750
right to be on your show to be on your

670
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:19,880
podcast as a guest he's you know and

671
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,280
that that's it the the rules are there

672
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,400
man you were raised by your parents to

673
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:28,800
have respect to your guests and that's

674
00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:30,900
it they you know so that's that's what I

675
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:32,670
do here I treat everybody with that same

676
00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:36,960
respect for you though I want to discuss

677
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:39,020
a couple of things before we get into

678
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:42,360
the scary stuff here which is a crime

679
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,260
that crimes that have I have

680
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:49,020
investigated I've done my best I got

681
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:52,730
nowhere with Jack the Ripper and neither

682
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:55,560
a lot of people who got nowhere so don't

683
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,520
feel bad yeah

684
00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:58,680
it's really tough I mean all the way

685
00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:01,980
from could it be from somebody in

686
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:05,670
Buckingham Palace right to something

687
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:07,590
that was just a hoax and made-up or a

688
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:12,030
newspaper story to a surgeon that's of

689
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:14,580
just a plain criminal right some serial

690
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:17,940
woman a woman oh yeah yep yep all of

691
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:21,000
these things have been laid out and were

692
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:23,670
we're no closer to the truth it's it's

693
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:27,330
an absolutely bizarre case the facts are

694
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:31,620
the bodies were found you know okay so

695
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:33,120
we'll get to that but I want to back up

696
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:39,300
for a second your martial arts interest

697
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:43,710
and and what you have achieved there is

698
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:46,950
is really really really cool where did

699
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,440
that interest start for you well you

700
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,720
could say that my learning martial arts

701
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,820
was I was kind of in a perfect storm for

702
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,680
it because I grew up in LA Chinatown

703
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:00,240
I mean it's arguable if I ever actually

704
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:02,730
grew up but I was uh you know raised

705
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:05,160
there mm-hmm and just down the street

706
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,520
from Bruce Lee's school right and my

707
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:10,260
next-door neighbor was also a Wing Chun

708
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:13,800
instructor so I managed to eventually

709
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:16,050
convince Bruce Lee's top student seafood

710
00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:18,510
Ted Wong to teach me after having

711
00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:20,670
learned Wing Chun for some years from my

712
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:22,590
next-door neighbor right seafood Georgie

713
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:22,980
ow

714
00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:26,970
perfect storm I was in the right place

715
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:29,400
at the right time LA Chinatown you know

716
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:33,180
in the 60s and 70s and you know I was

717
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,430
really fortunate to have gone that route

718
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:38,640
and I met some really terrific people

719
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:40,170
along the way I've been really fortunate

720
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:42,360
and travelled the world with the martial

721
00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:44,040
arts which which also you know played

722
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:46,040
into my investigation of Jack the Ripper

723
00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:49,380
the I'm gonna stay on Bruce Lee for just

724
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,840
a second so indulge me okay I'm a you

725
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,560
know I can't

726
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,200
you don't like everybody else that that

727
00:38:01,100 --> 00:37:58,740
is a fan I don't know how many times

728
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:01,110
I've watched each one of his movies that

729
00:38:06,590 --> 00:38:03,090
I've lost track of that a long time ago

730
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,600
I love it I still got them I've got them

731
00:38:09,499 --> 00:38:08,520
all on DVD I've got the I've got the

732
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,509
collection I've got the

733
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:11,579
outtakes I've got the interview I have

734
00:38:19,429 --> 00:38:15,630
everything and I'm just gonna ask this

735
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:19,439
in your opinion was there anybody better

736
00:38:25,339 --> 00:38:23,269
is there anybody better than Bruce Lee

737
00:38:28,819 --> 00:38:25,349
well it that's a tough one to answer

738
00:38:30,979 --> 00:38:28,829
because it's subjective you could say is

739
00:38:34,699 --> 00:38:30,989
there a better doctor than or a better

740
00:38:38,029 --> 00:38:34,709
scientist and Louie Pasteur er and you

741
00:38:40,789 --> 00:38:38,039
know you're judging someone from 4050

742
00:38:42,859 --> 00:38:40,799
years ago by today's standards I mean

743
00:38:45,439 --> 00:38:42,869
the worst doctor today or maybe not the

744
00:38:47,899 --> 00:38:45,449
worst one but an average doctor today is

745
00:38:50,419 --> 00:38:47,909
lightyears ahead of Louis Pasteur mm-hmm

746
00:38:52,189 --> 00:38:50,429
because he's had the education and you

747
00:38:54,709 --> 00:38:52,199
know the training coming from a more

748
00:38:56,029 --> 00:38:54,719
advanced point of view right so in the

749
00:38:57,769 --> 00:38:56,039
martial arts you know you could say that

750
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,779
Bruce Lee basically invented mixed

751
00:39:01,309 --> 00:38:59,880
martial arts because he was the first

752
00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:01,319
one to really get in there and mix

753
00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:03,269
different styles to create something

754
00:39:08,659 --> 00:39:06,389
very effective no doubt we can go by the

755
00:39:10,789 --> 00:39:08,669
history of the people that have actually

756
00:39:12,949 --> 00:39:10,799
interacted with him and who have

757
00:39:15,169 --> 00:39:12,959
interacted with others that we know are

758
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:15,179
world champions for example let's take

759
00:39:18,649 --> 00:39:16,529
Chuck Norris everybody likes to make

760
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,659
Chuck Norris jokes but the fact is Chuck

761
00:39:22,459 --> 00:39:20,880
Norris in his day was the baddest of the

762
00:39:26,779 --> 00:39:22,469
bad and whupped everybody there was to

763
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:26,789
look and Bruce Lee toyed with him so you

764
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:29,249
know by his own admission right so we

765
00:39:33,859 --> 00:39:31,380
could say that you know judging from his

766
00:39:36,759 --> 00:39:33,869
performance there was never in my

767
00:39:38,389 --> 00:39:36,769
opinion anyone better than him to that

768
00:39:41,269 --> 00:39:38,399
date and time

769
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,279
today with the advent of the you know

770
00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:43,619
the mixed martial arts and the way these

771
00:39:47,029 --> 00:39:45,329
young athletes are getting in there from

772
00:39:48,889 --> 00:39:47,039
a very young age in mixing the martial

773
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:48,899
arts and getting the practical

774
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:51,209
experience that Bruce couldn't really

775
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:53,609
have gotten you know it's very possible

776
00:40:00,079 --> 00:39:57,839
that some of these young guys may equal

777
00:40:01,999 --> 00:40:00,089
him in in terms of who would come out of

778
00:40:03,919 --> 00:40:02,009
the room alive but that doesn't mean

779
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:03,929
that anybody could match him for

780
00:40:11,299 --> 00:40:08,099
knowledge innovation mmm-hmm his his

781
00:40:15,139 --> 00:40:11,309
ability to reach the masses his

782
00:40:18,139 --> 00:40:15,149
creativity his fitness level uh it would

783
00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:18,149
be very hard to point out anyone that

784
00:40:22,759 --> 00:40:19,979
would encompass all of those qualities

785
00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:22,769
in any way shape or form better than

786
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:23,340
Bruce Lee

787
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:26,190
yeah and you know I watch you know all

788
00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:29,880
of the movies the new ones I do I'm a

789
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:31,470
big fan and you go and you watch

790
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:34,710
something like Crouching Tiger or any of

791
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:37,010
the Jet Li stuff and you watch and

792
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:40,380
cinematically you know it it's great and

793
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:41,820
it's beautiful and it's new

794
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:44,250
I totally agree of new technology and

795
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:47,700
and and the art itself has progressed I

796
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:50,730
understand all of that but the quality

797
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:54,390
of what he did still stands on its own

798
00:40:58,220 --> 00:40:57,000
today you know it's really unmatched oh

799
00:41:01,070 --> 00:40:58,230
man

800
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,080
I'll forget about the speed that was the

801
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:04,020
other thing you know his techniques and

802
00:41:10,690 --> 00:41:07,740
stuff but just his sheer speed and the

803
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,700
preciseness oh it was just fun to watch

804
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:13,140
yeah absolutely I mean in in Wing Chun

805
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:15,030
and in going through in general and G

806
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,570
kundo Bruce's art speed is power you

807
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,400
know a bullet is just a little piece of

808
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:22,500
lead if I throw it at ya it'll hurt if I

809
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,910
shoot it at you it'll kill you

810
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:25,740
the only difference is the speed mm-hmm

811
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,510
you know your hand or your foot is much

812
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,940
bigger than a bullet and you can't you

813
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:31,440
obviously can't move it as fast as a

814
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:34,830
bullet but you know the potential power

815
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:36,570
as you create more speed in your hands

816
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:38,130
and feet like what Bruce Lee had this

817
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,080
incredible speed is going to create

818
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:43,380
incredible power and so you know he was

819
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:45,750
just a little guy like five foot seven

820
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,430
hundred forty pounds but he hit like a

821
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:48,960
ton of bricks right because he could get

822
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:52,740
that 140 pounds in motion you know just

823
00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:55,170
imagine taking 140 pound brick and

824
00:41:59,240 --> 00:41:57,270
dropping it on you from the third storey

825
00:42:00,620 --> 00:41:59,250
that would that's what it would like we

826
00:42:06,860 --> 00:42:00,630
like to have Bruce Lee hit you

827
00:42:08,990 --> 00:42:06,870
the the the comedy side of it all right

828
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:09,000
that's the other thing and I really mean

829
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:11,670
this you can't help but just laugh

830
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:14,190
through an entire Bruce Lee movie right

831
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:18,960
it great and then he whips out the speed

832
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:21,090
and technique and you just realized that

833
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:24,300
that he was a singular singular guy and

834
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:27,450
and today I really feel that he

835
00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:30,150
completely stands out everybody else to

836
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:34,080
me is in a tank of molasses you know it

837
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:36,760
it feels that way

838
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:39,250
when when I see the old stuff compared

839
00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:40,360
to the new stuff

840
00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:44,680
I just I'm a big yeah I'm with you yeah

841
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,360
I'm with you you know my teacher Ted

842
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:48,640
Wong who was Bruce Lee's top student I

843
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:50,380
see people that would say he wasn't

844
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:52,690
right right but he was so much like

845
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:54,850
Bruce Lee it was like having Bruce Lee

846
00:42:57,780 --> 00:42:56,380
at your house yeah you know when you

847
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:57,790
would talk to him he had that kind of

848
00:43:00,810 --> 00:42:59,530
you know that if you've heard Bruce

849
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:00,820
Lee's real voice it was kind of like

850
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:03,460
this Jimmy Cagney in Chinese British

851
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:05,850
American accent you know the the whole

852
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:08,220
you know it is like a finger pointing

853
00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:11,230
away to the moon like and when my

854
00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:12,760
teacher would talk to you it sounded

855
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:14,080
just like Bruce Lee when he call you on

856
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:15,550
the phone you think you're talking to

857
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:17,170
Bruce Lee and for all practical purposes

858
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:20,530
you almost were you know and just by the

859
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:22,390
the exposure I had to him I used to see

860
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:24,370
Bruce when I was a kid go peek I used to

861
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:25,510
go peek in the windows when they were

862
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:28,450
training and you know just the exposure

863
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:30,070
I've had to that little bit with Bruce

864
00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:33,160
Lee and that exposure I had with my own

865
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:35,620
teacher I have my respect for Bruce Lee

866
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:37,780
is through the roof I mean you know

867
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:39,460
you're right nobody compares to Bruce

868
00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:40,900
Lee he was in the class of his own and

869
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:43,660
still is he was I will move on offer

870
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:45,970
Bruce but I'm just a big Bruce fan and I

871
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:47,890
just can't help myself and it's my show

872
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,050
so there you go but well you know what

873
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:51,940
before you move off Bruce before you

874
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:54,670
move off Bruce I might add that one of

875
00:43:58,860 --> 00:43:56,740
my co-authors dr. Michael Baden among

876
00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:58,870
all of his other great achievements took

877
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:00,910
part in the analysis of Bruce Lee's

878
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:03,880
autopsy that's right and we may we may

879
00:44:10,290 --> 00:44:06,550
go into investigation of Bruce Lee's

880
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:10,300
death love Baden my team yeah love Baden

881
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:12,490
I love Baden and you also worked with

882
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:13,180
the Ciro

883
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:17,860
whacked too as well yes we'll get into

884
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,620
that so let me back up though have you

885
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:22,960
ever seen I'm sure you have have you

886
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:26,200
ever seen it that the the film clip of

887
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,770
Bruce's first match up in San Jose have

888
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:35,520
you ever seen that it's black and white

889
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:37,540
are you talking about when he was

890
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:39,670
sparring my teacher Ted Wong and the guy

891
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:44,500
was wearing headgear I think so my

892
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:46,300
teacher that's my teacher he's Wayne was

893
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:50,790
oh that was Ted Wong in that okay but

894
00:44:56,250 --> 00:44:54,610
watch that clip and the thing is when

895
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,260
you know people say you know will they

896
00:44:59,850 --> 00:44:58,000
sped up the film well you know what go

897
00:45:04,380 --> 00:44:59,860
watch that that's two guys at the same

898
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,390
speed and it's just incredible no they

899
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:06,640
they had to slow down the speed on that

900
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:08,470
one scene in Enter the Dragon was Bob

901
00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:10,450
wall Jeff when he liked the touch hands

902
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:11,860
in the fighting stance yep

903
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:13,600
they had to slow it down and in order to

904
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:15,640
understand how much it was slow down

905
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:17,260
look at the flags blowing in the wind in

906
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,850
the background yeah you can see it yeah

907
00:45:23,250 --> 00:45:21,040
see that they're blowing slow-mo yep yep

908
00:45:24,090 --> 00:45:23,260
yep I've watched that so many times of

909
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:24,100
what's it something

910
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:26,110
okay the audience is like okay man all

911
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:29,740
right we love Bruce but and I just love

912
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:31,210
Bruce Lee man and I can't believe that

913
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,150
you were able to you know like you were

914
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:36,240
just saying peek through the windows and

915
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:39,850
and and see him practice and instruct

916
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:42,570
that just must have been incredible oh

917
00:45:46,859 --> 00:45:44,590
yeah it was like I said it was the

918
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,869
perfect storm to be a Wing Chun aragón

919
00:45:51,330 --> 00:45:48,700
fool man you know to grow up in the

920
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:51,340
situation I did and not grasp that you

921
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:53,710
know would have been a fatal loss you

922
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:56,680
know right well now now we can face off

923
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:58,770
of this a little bit but how do you go

924
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:02,140
from you know Black Stallion security

925
00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:05,890
and martial arts to Jack the Ripper and

926
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,980
Michael Baden that's uh that's a pretty

927
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:10,960
interesting to me all tie together in

928
00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:16,330
really weird ways help me out well how

929
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:17,859
do I go from martial arts to

930
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,890
investigation well the logic involved in

931
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:22,480
in Wing Chun in particular is a very

932
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:25,150
scientific martial art and it requires a

933
00:46:32,070 --> 00:46:28,140
lot of intuitive thinking instinctive

934
00:46:34,859 --> 00:46:32,080
reaction and it involves a lot of sort

935
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:34,869
of putting together a and B a and C a

936
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:38,980
and D and when you learn Wing Chun to

937
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:41,890
that extent to a certain extent it

938
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:44,170
affects everything you do in life

939
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:46,470
whatever that is and in my case

940
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:50,380
investigation so one of my friends he's

941
00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:52,150
a you know I've got a name drop here

942
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:54,340
because I'm proud of him his name Zoltan

943
00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:56,530
Bathory and he's the lead guitarist for

944
00:47:00,720 --> 00:46:57,940
Five Finger Death Punch the rock group

945
00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:00,730
mm-hmm and he trains with me and Zoltan

946
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:03,460
told me he's a very intelligent guy and

947
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:03,820
it may

948
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:06,190
intelligent guy and he said that it took

949
00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:10,930
a martial artist with classic Eastern

950
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:14,320
training and with investigative training

951
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:16,510
from the West to solve the Ripper crimes

952
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:18,790
because they are a blend of eastern and

953
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:22,600
western thinking and ideology hmm so the

954
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:25,450
the two go hand-in-hand as far as

955
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:27,820
Michael Baden his brother happens to be

956
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:30,070
a Wing Chun enthusiast and that was kind

957
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:32,830
of a very weak thread that kind of got

958
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:35,920
me in the door that enabled me to get

959
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:38,950
his attention and present my case that I

960
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:40,810
had gathered on Jack the Ripper to him

961
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:42,910
he was already an expert in the case

962
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:44,530
he'd been paid by the British government

963
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:47,050
some years back in the 60s to go solve

964
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:49,300
the crimes he wasn't able to do so but

965
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:51,370
he retained all the facts so when I

966
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:53,410
presented him the case that I present in

967
00:48:00,510 --> 00:47:56,680
my new book in our new book I convinced

968
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:00,520
him and he said if your facts can all be

969
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:04,450
substantiated you've cracked it son well

970
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:07,330
let's let's find out yeah yeah okay so

971
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:11,200
let's let's back up and let's do a Jack

972
00:48:19,950 --> 00:48:14,560
the Ripper 101 refresher course for the

973
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:19,960
audience how many how many total bodies

974
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:23,710
were found in London well you know that

975
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:26,050
is debatable I'm of the school of

976
00:48:31,530 --> 00:48:28,300
thought that there were 13 in possibly

977
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:31,540
14 but the what are referred to as the

978
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:33,910
canonical murders meaning agreed to

979
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:36,010
generally agree to by everyone although

980
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:37,600
everyone doesn't agree on anything in

981
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:40,690
the world but the generally agreed upon

982
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:44,530
count is 5 what are known as canonical

983
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,210
murders and but when you hear the

984
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:51,040
evidence that we gathered and once

985
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:52,900
you've figured out who actually did it

986
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:55,030
and you look at certain things about the

987
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,260
dates when the murders were committed

988
00:49:02,730 --> 00:48:59,440
and a lot of other factors you realize

989
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:02,740
that there were 13 and possibly 14 quite

990
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:06,670
possibly 14 were they out of those okay

991
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:12,160
let's say 13 or we can go with 14 pretty

992
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:15,130
much the same you know I'm talking about

993
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:17,110
the surgical precision

994
00:49:24,330 --> 00:49:22,240
and and who they were well you know as

995
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:24,340
is typical in many serial killing cases

996
00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:29,170
the mo tends to change as the murders

997
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,960
series progresses the murderers tend to

998
00:49:36,420 --> 00:49:34,960
learn or they tend to I don't know I

999
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:36,430
hate to give them any credit and say

1000
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,710
they get better at their trade but they

1001
00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:41,440
learn from their murders and the

1002
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:43,960
violence tends to escalate that's why

1003
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:45,790
you'll find that most of the your serial

1004
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:48,070
killers in history have a previous

1005
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:50,830
record of violent crimes that began with

1006
00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:52,500
cruelty to animals I'm sure you're aware

1007
00:49:59,490 --> 00:49:56,590
fire-starting and escalates to you know

1008
00:50:01,860 --> 00:49:59,500
assault it eventually becomes possibly

1009
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:01,870
sexual assault and eventually leading to

1010
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:06,550
murder and if they're left uncaught for

1011
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:08,740
a period of time the murders sometimes

1012
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:12,090
become increasingly brutal increasingly

1013
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:17,650
bizarre in nature so the first okay with

1014
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,610
your addition of I mean there was five

1015
00:50:26,070 --> 00:50:23,440
maybe there was 10 maybe there was 11 or

1016
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:26,080
14 it doesn't matter with yours though

1017
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:30,640
the first body was found on April 3rd in

1018
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:35,610
1888 do any of your additional victims

1019
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:38,530
do they predate that or they all operate

1020
00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:42,130
a third yes okay ladies to predate okay

1021
00:50:49,410 --> 00:50:45,030
let's talk about those two who are they

1022
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:49,420
um one her name was Annie Millwood and

1023
00:50:55,140 --> 00:50:51,250
the second one was a woman named Ada

1024
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:55,150
Wilson both of them were attacked but

1025
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,330
not murdered and this is typical you

1026
00:51:01,590 --> 00:50:59,920
know as I was saying before about how

1027
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:01,600
violence escalates right

1028
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:04,420
the murderers initially maybe they don't

1029
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:05,830
know how to kill someone they don't know

1030
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:08,920
exactly what to do to kill a person they

1031
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:10,810
they may not have intended to kill the

1032
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:13,600
person at first and they hunger for more

1033
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:15,910
and more violence and so the violence

1034
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:18,460
escalates so these women were attacked

1035
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:22,480
and stabbed but not killed emma smith

1036
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:24,610
the one you just mentioned that was

1037
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:28,060
killed in in April of 1888 wasn't killed

1038
00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:30,190
on the spot she was left for dead but

1039
00:51:32,830 --> 00:51:30,980
she lived for

1040
00:51:37,390 --> 00:51:32,840
four days great long enough to name her

1041
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:37,400
attackers and she named three guys that

1042
00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:39,830
exactly fit the description of my

1043
00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:42,560
suspects and we'll get to those in a

1044
00:51:48,609 --> 00:51:46,040
second now with all of your additional

1045
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:48,619
victims so they fall in that same you

1046
00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:52,850
know that Whitechapel area yes all of

1047
00:51:59,560 --> 00:51:55,880
them were in Whitechapel in the vicinity

1048
00:52:01,680 --> 00:51:59,570
all fall within a 10-minute walk of the

1049
00:52:04,570 --> 00:52:01,690
central location where one of my

1050
00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:04,580
suspects lived and the other two were

1051
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:07,700
club members so it's a ten minute walk

1052
00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:11,000
or a point six mile radius which you

1053
00:52:15,790 --> 00:52:14,270
know there's a an agent FBI agent by the

1054
00:52:17,890 --> 00:52:15,800
name of Kim Rossum Oh who some years

1055
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:17,900
back came up with this program called

1056
00:52:23,530 --> 00:52:20,450
geographic profiling and he found that

1057
00:52:24,849 --> 00:52:23,540
most serial murderers commit their

1058
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:24,859
crimes and what he calls the serial

1059
00:52:29,859 --> 00:52:27,380
killer comfort zone and you know areas

1060
00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:29,869
where they know the terrain and they

1061
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:32,300
feel comfortable and that is absolutely

1062
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:33,619
the case with the Ripper killings

1063
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,670
they're all in a radius around the

1064
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:38,720
International workingmen's educational

1065
00:52:45,609 --> 00:52:40,609
Club where my suspect one of them lived

1066
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:45,619
and to remembers the victims were all

1067
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:52,130
female all female no males no were there

1068
00:52:57,490 --> 00:52:53,780
and each age eclis so and all

1069
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,500
prostitutes right right right so they

1070
00:53:01,599 --> 00:52:59,359
were all prostitutes no men were ever

1071
00:53:04,930 --> 00:53:01,609
attacked were they or or killed of

1072
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:04,940
course but no no matter I believe that

1073
00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:08,570
one one man was attacked by my group but

1074
00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:10,280
not because not for any other reason

1075
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:13,220
that he was sort of in the way of a

1076
00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:15,290
victim that they had chosen for that

1077
00:53:18,099 --> 00:53:17,540
night and because he was sort of tagging

1078
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:18,109
along

1079
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:20,510
I believe that my group beat him to a

1080
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:23,960
bloody pulp and stole his watch to make

1081
00:53:27,220 --> 00:53:25,460
it look like a random attack but they

1082
00:53:28,930 --> 00:53:27,230
did it to get him out of the way so that

1083
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:28,940
they could attack the woman he was with

1084
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:31,730
all night and for the audience I think

1085
00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:34,850
you can tell Rani's using the word they

1086
00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:37,580
right so we're gonna get to all of that

1087
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:39,950
in a second we're gonna head to a break

1088
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:43,670
here shortly Randi but I want to talk

1089
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:44,810
about Sherlock Holmes really

1090
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:48,410
quick and how you use that format for

1091
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,570
the book sure um well my three

1092
00:53:59,230 --> 00:53:56,720
co-authors and myself we're all Sherlock

1093
00:54:01,480 --> 00:53:59,240
Holmes fans in fact all of us were drawn

1094
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:01,490
into law enforcement and criminology

1095
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:03,500
through our interest in Sherlock Holmes

1096
00:54:08,650 --> 00:54:06,110
and the Ripper case so it's kind of a

1097
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:08,660
no-brainer for us to do it this way but

1098
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:10,850
let me tell you why you know your

1099
00:54:14,020 --> 00:54:11,960
audience probably knows who my

1100
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:14,030
co-authors are you know dr. Michael

1101
00:54:18,130 --> 00:54:15,950
Baden Henry Seeley and Cyril Wecht

1102
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:18,140
they've all written a number of true

1103
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:20,870
crime novels about the famous cases

1104
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:22,310
they've been involved in you know the

1105
00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:24,380
Kennedy assassination OJ Simpson

1106
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:26,420
JonBenet Ramsey Elizabeth Smart

1107
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:29,630
kidnapping I mean you know the autopsies

1108
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:32,530
of Elvis Marilyn Monroe Bruce Lee Prince

1109
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:34,940
Michael Brown the kid in Ferguson hands

1110
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:36,770
up don't shoot I mean these guys are

1111
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:39,560
really the biggest time forensic

1112
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:41,390
scientists out there so they've all

1113
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:42,980
written these true crime novels in the

1114
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:45,710
past and once they all agreed to take

1115
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:47,810
part in my book which they've refused

1116
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:50,450
other very very popular authors on the

1117
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:53,510
Ripper once they all agreed that they

1118
00:54:57,610 --> 00:54:54,650
were going to take part with me in a

1119
00:54:59,620 --> 00:54:57,620
book it was it was the general consensus

1120
00:55:01,540 --> 00:54:59,630
between them that a true crime novel

1121
00:55:03,340 --> 00:55:01,550
wasn't the best approach to get our

1122
00:55:06,190 --> 00:55:03,350
theory out in front of the most people

1123
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:06,200
possible they thought well you know the

1124
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:07,660
true crime novels they've written

1125
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:10,490
haven't really been huge blockbuster

1126
00:55:14,530 --> 00:55:13,310
sellers and it wasn't a question of

1127
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:14,540
money they've all got more money than

1128
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,430
they know what to do with right it was

1129
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:19,280
more a question of getting that theory

1130
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:21,050
out there getting in front of somebody

1131
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:24,980
like yourself and in order to do that we

1132
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:26,870
brainstormed and we thought well how are

1133
00:55:30,580 --> 00:55:28,430
we going to get more people interested

1134
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:30,590
in this in this book rather than a

1135
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:34,670
really dry account of the crimes step by

1136
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:36,800
step of the investigation which by the

1137
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:40,370
way we are doing that book too but let's

1138
00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:42,140
do something that's going to draw more

1139
00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:44,840
people in and of course it was very

1140
00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:46,460
natural for us to bring Sherlock Holmes

1141
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,740
in now you probably know I'm sure that

1142
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:50,240
Holmes has been brought in against the

1143
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:52,070
Ripper in a number of fictional accounts

1144
00:55:58,359 --> 00:55:55,040
years and movies but never with an eye

1145
00:56:00,489 --> 00:55:58,369
to presenting an actual working theory

1146
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:00,499
with actual evidence it's always been

1147
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:02,930
dramatis eyes and so is mine

1148
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:06,140
but in our book Holmes takes the reader

1149
00:56:10,589 --> 00:56:08,630
by the hand and Watson and guides him

1150
00:56:13,870 --> 00:56:10,599
through our actual investigation

1151
00:56:16,059 --> 00:56:13,880
presenting the actual facts in doing so

1152
00:56:17,799 --> 00:56:16,069
in hopefully an entertaining manner that

1153
00:56:20,109 --> 00:56:17,809
would draw in people that weren't

1154
00:56:22,569 --> 00:56:20,119
necessarily interested in the Ripper but

1155
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:22,579
were more Sherlock Holmes fans it may be

1156
00:56:26,049 --> 00:56:23,900
people that interesting the Ripper but

1157
00:56:29,289 --> 00:56:26,059
are tired of these true account type of

1158
00:56:31,689 --> 00:56:29,299
dry books and wanted something maybe a

1159
00:56:34,269 --> 00:56:31,699
little different so we presented it you

1160
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:34,279
know this way and hopefully it seems

1161
00:56:38,769 --> 00:56:36,680
like people are receiving it well and I

1162
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:38,779
think it's a way of getting some younger

1163
00:56:43,569 --> 00:56:40,910
people interested in the case and

1164
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:43,579
because you know the Sherlock Holmes TV

1165
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:45,640
shows or I'll have a big following and

1166
00:56:51,189 --> 00:56:48,650
people are are wild about say Benedict

1167
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:51,199
Cumberbatch or the Robert Downey jr.

1168
00:56:58,479 --> 00:56:54,799
films even the the TV show where at Lucy

1169
00:57:01,390 --> 00:56:58,489
Liu is Doctor Watson right yeah so by

1170
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:01,400
doing that Benedict Cumberbatch is a you

1171
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:03,170
know that's a pretty good series it's

1172
00:57:08,499 --> 00:57:06,890
actually done really well yeah yeah it's

1173
00:57:10,479 --> 00:57:08,509
terrific and so you know with that

1174
00:57:12,999 --> 00:57:10,489
interest kind of renewed interest in

1175
00:57:14,109 --> 00:57:13,009
Sherlock Holmes we thought you know

1176
00:57:16,479 --> 00:57:14,119
let's do it this way

1177
00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:16,489
so I had to go to work and research I

1178
00:57:20,529 --> 00:57:17,660
mean I've read all the the Holmes

1179
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:20,539
stories multiple times in my life but I

1180
00:57:25,269 --> 00:57:23,420
had to reread them all and take note of

1181
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:25,279
the Old English the terms that were used

1182
00:57:29,859 --> 00:57:28,130
back then the style of writing of Arthur

1183
00:57:32,739 --> 00:57:29,869
Conan Doyle and I did my best to mimic

1184
00:57:35,259 --> 00:57:32,749
that but you know my intention was never

1185
00:57:38,739 --> 00:57:35,269
to be another Holmes novel to match dial

1186
00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:38,749
it was really to present the case in a

1187
00:57:43,299 --> 00:57:40,819
in an entertaining manner let's take a

1188
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:43,309
break right here our guest tonight Randy

1189
00:57:47,469 --> 00:57:44,809
Williams we're talking about his new

1190
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:47,479
book which is Sherlock Holmes and Jack

1191
00:57:51,069 --> 00:57:48,170
the Ripper

1192
00:57:52,209 --> 00:57:51,079
it's called Sherlock Holmes in the

1193
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:52,219
autumn of terror

1194
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:54,410
this is fade to black it's Halloween

1195
00:57:59,679 --> 00:57:56,209
happy Halloween everybody

1196
00:58:02,559 --> 00:57:59,689
and more with Randy right after this I'm

1197
00:58:04,779 --> 00:58:02,569
gonna tie me I got more Baden in Cyril

1198
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,789
Wecht questions too we'll do that week

1199
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:07,040
about stay with us this is fade to black

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00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:22,820
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1264
01:01:58,990 --> 01:01:57,560
all right welcome back happy Halloween

1265
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everybody I'm your host Jimmy church

1266
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:01,610
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1267
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spending your Halloween evening here

1268
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with us our guest tonight author Randy

1269
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:08,720
Williams and we're discussing his new

1270
01:02:14,290 --> 01:02:11,000
book which is Sherlock Holmes in the

1271
01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:14,300
autumn of terror and it's about Jack the

1272
01:02:17,770 --> 01:02:16,430
Ripper and now this is what's

1273
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:17,780
interesting for me

1274
01:02:24,580 --> 01:02:21,980
Randy is Bodden and whacked I'm fans of

1275
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:24,590
the both of them we all are but the two

1276
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:26,840
of them also have butted heads over the

1277
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:29,030
years did you get them on the same page

1278
01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:33,110
for the book absolutely there were just

1279
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,720
some minor details that maybe they might

1280
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:37,760
have disagreed upon but they were sorted

1281
01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:41,030
out and you know it was a nating major

1282
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:44,360
oh man I wanted mud you were supposed to

1283
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:51,530
bring me some mud all right so how did

1284
01:02:58,330 --> 01:02:56,090
you and how did they collect the

1285
01:03:00,310 --> 01:02:58,340
evidence and start to look at the

1286
01:03:01,630 --> 01:03:00,320
forensic side of this because that's

1287
01:03:05,350 --> 01:03:01,640
what they do they're both are forensic

1288
01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:05,360
pathologists and two of the absolute

1289
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:08,150
without question two of the best on the

1290
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planet how did you assemble the forensic

1291
01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:17,150
side well what I first had to do was win

1292
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:18,950
over dr. Michael Baden he was the

1293
01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:21,170
initial contact I was thrown together

1294
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:23,180
with him through a case he was working

1295
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:25,130
on here in northeastern Pennsylvania the

1296
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,020
serial killer in my area mm-hmm

1297
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:29,200
and I was in the courtroom with him and

1298
01:03:36,190 --> 01:03:32,180
when I happened to be friends with the

1299
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:36,200
District Attorney of our County and what

1300
01:03:41,590 --> 01:03:38,990
happened was in the in the trial the

1301
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:41,600
judge wrongfully excluded Bowden from

1302
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:43,370
the courtroom he said Baden you're gonna

1303
01:03:48,460 --> 01:03:44,960
testify today so you can't hear the

1304
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:48,470
testimony and so he basically kicked him

1305
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:50,810
out of the courtroom so my friend that

1306
01:03:54,370 --> 01:03:52,250
is the district attorney said hey Randy

1307
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:54,380
would you mind keeping dr. Baden company

1308
01:03:59,140 --> 01:03:56,450
for a while you know while he's waiting

1309
01:04:01,150 --> 01:03:59,150
so I took him into the kind of the war

1310
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:01,160
room and we sat there for three hours

1311
01:04:05,770 --> 01:04:03,830
and I had his ear for three hours well

1312
01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:05,780
initially we talked wing-chun because

1313
01:04:08,740 --> 01:04:07,820
his brother happens to be a big martial

1314
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:08,750
arts fan of this

1315
01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:11,690
I love that I teach and knew who I was

1316
01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:13,640
we contacted his brother and his brother

1317
01:04:17,260 --> 01:04:15,620
was you know O'Rear near Williams you

1318
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:17,270
know I was kind of amazed his brother

1319
01:04:23,020 --> 01:04:20,240
would even care but that kind of got me

1320
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:23,030
his ear and after he spent about an hour

1321
01:04:26,770 --> 01:04:24,830
showing me kind of gross pictures of

1322
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,780
different autopsies and things and tell

1323
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:28,400
me about some of his famous cases I

1324
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:30,530
thought you know what the heck let me

1325
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:33,890
bounce this often so I said dr. B if I

1326
01:04:39,490 --> 01:04:35,840
told you that I had solved the Jack the

1327
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:39,500
Ripper murders what would you say and he

1328
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:42,470
said uh well Randy you know I'm aware of

1329
01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:44,270
your your history and your background in

1330
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:46,100
the martial arts and what you've done

1331
01:04:54,370 --> 01:04:49,670
there and so if it was anyone else I'd

1332
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:54,380
probably say yeah no but I'll give you

1333
01:04:59,830 --> 01:04:58,130
five minutes let's hear it and so I

1334
01:05:02,740 --> 01:04:59,840
thought all right here it is I presented

1335
01:05:07,660 --> 01:05:02,750
in my case what was your hair super yeah

1336
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:07,670
yeah okay so what was your pitch well he

1337
01:05:13,390 --> 01:05:09,350
said the first thing you said to me is

1338
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:13,400
who was Jack the Ripper and I said well

1339
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:15,500
first of all dr. B it was more than one

1340
01:05:21,610 --> 01:05:18,490
person it was three people funded and

1341
01:05:23,610 --> 01:05:21,620
motivated by a fourth and he said all

1342
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:23,620
right you got my attention

1343
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:26,690
who was it who was who was your main

1344
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:29,440
Ripper and I said Lewis steamships and

1345
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:32,480
he says those team shirts you mean the

1346
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:35,630
guy who found Elizabeth strides body in

1347
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:37,010
front of the International workingmen's

1348
01:05:40,030 --> 01:05:38,990
educational club on the night of the

1349
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:40,040
double event the first of the two

1350
01:05:47,980 --> 01:05:43,570
murders right and I said yeah yeah yeah

1351
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,990
him he goes hmm um all right you're

1352
01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:49,520
gonna have to you're gonna really have

1353
01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:51,350
to convince me on that because he was

1354
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:53,390
with the police when the second murder

1355
01:05:58,570 --> 01:05:55,490
took place in mitre square you know

1356
01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:58,580
capital mile away and I said yes I can

1357
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:02,720
because he had two accomplices and he

1358
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:04,220
said all right who were they and I named

1359
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:04,790
the names

1360
01:06:08,350 --> 01:06:07,010
Samuel Friedman and Isaac Koza broadsky

1361
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,360
and he said I have no idea who those

1362
01:06:11,740 --> 01:06:10,160
people are and I said well you probably

1363
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:11,750
do but they're just footnotes in the

1364
01:06:17,230 --> 01:06:13,910
case but once I explain it to you you'll

1365
01:06:18,790 --> 01:06:17,240
understand why and I did and he said

1366
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:18,800
well this is starting to make a lot of

1367
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:21,110
sense but how do you reckon this was

1368
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:22,640
done and then I explained to her

1369
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:25,370
my timeline for the double event you

1370
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:26,810
know your your listeners probably know

1371
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:27,950
that's the night that Jack the Ripper

1372
01:06:34,030 --> 01:06:31,610
killed two women mm-hmm and I explained

1373
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:34,040
to him how Lewis steamships managed to

1374
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:35,210
convince the police that he was

1375
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:37,640
absolutely above suspicion because he

1376
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:39,770
was with the police while the second

1377
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:40,700
murder took place

1378
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:43,100
you see his accomplices performed the

1379
01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:45,710
second murder when he knew he would be

1380
01:06:49,330 --> 01:06:47,420
with the police after pretending to find

1381
01:06:51,130 --> 01:06:49,340
the body of their first victim at the

1382
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:51,140
time no one suspected the Ripper was

1383
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:52,730
more than one person and most people

1384
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,550
haven't since so because he was sitting

1385
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:57,200
with the police pretending to have found

1386
01:07:02,620 --> 01:06:59,090
the first body shaking and quaking with

1387
01:07:03,130 --> 01:07:02,630
fake fear while the second murder took

1388
01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:03,140
place

1389
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:05,240
he absolutely couldn't have killed the

1390
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:07,970
first girl and because the second woman

1391
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:10,310
was killed in the way described by the

1392
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:12,170
saucy Jacky postcard that warned the

1393
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:13,910
police of two murders that night right

1394
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:15,530
even to the extent of having her ear

1395
01:07:19,390 --> 01:07:17,900
clipped off they thought well this is

1396
01:07:22,330 --> 01:07:19,400
definitely the Ripper that did them both

1397
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:22,340
and deem shits couldn't have done the

1398
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:24,650
second murder therefore he didn't do the

1399
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:26,480
first one and he was discounted

1400
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,600
summarily as a suspect but I unraveled

1401
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:31,520
how exactly he did it with accomplices

1402
01:07:35,860 --> 01:07:34,130
and once I showed dr. Baden what I had

1403
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:35,870
gathered how they did it and the

1404
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:38,300
timeline I got his ear and then I just

1405
01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:39,590
kept showing him the rest of my evidence

1406
01:07:45,370 --> 01:07:42,020
after which he said what we've got to

1407
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:45,380
get Cyril and Henry involved and how did

1408
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:48,800
how did how did whacked did you do the

1409
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:52,760
same pitch with him yeah I didn't have

1410
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:55,310
to do exactly the same way because what

1411
01:08:00,040 --> 01:07:58,220
happened was that dr. Baden said all

1412
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:00,050
right listen you know I'm busy with this

1413
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:02,210
case I'm on right now all right I got a

1414
01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:04,340
fly out right after the trial he says

1415
01:08:08,590 --> 01:08:06,620
give me your case notes send them to me

1416
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:08,600
immediately I'm gonna go over your case

1417
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:11,630
notes and if you're fact finding if I

1418
01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:14,150
can substantiate your evidence he says

1419
01:08:17,980 --> 01:08:15,550
I'm gonna go over with a fine-tooth comb

1420
01:08:20,110 --> 01:08:17,990
so he says if I can substantiate your

1421
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:20,120
evidence I believe you've cracked this

1422
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:22,850
case after we know I'm putting in a

1423
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:25,010
nutshell I spent two hours presenting my

1424
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:27,170
case to him right and he says if

1425
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:28,970
everything you're telling me can be

1426
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:31,430
substantiated this is the biggest thing

1427
01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:32,930
ever and we're going to crack this case

1428
01:08:36,499 --> 01:08:35,750
for the public and he says I'm going to

1429
01:08:38,209 --> 01:08:36,509
get Cyril and

1430
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:38,219
involved but I'm not gonna tell them

1431
01:08:42,259 --> 01:08:39,690
about this until I've double-checked

1432
01:08:43,939 --> 01:08:42,269
everything you're telling me so of

1433
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:43,949
course I went home and and you know put

1434
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:45,719
together I've been had it my case was

1435
01:08:50,299 --> 01:08:47,190
already put together so basically just

1436
01:08:51,589 --> 01:08:50,309
had to get it over to him and it didn't

1437
01:08:52,759 --> 01:08:51,599
take him more than a few days to get it

1438
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:52,769
back to me he called me on the phone

1439
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:56,400
never forget it and he says son you've

1440
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,500
cracked it you've absolutely cracked the

1441
01:09:03,529 --> 01:09:00,839
case now we're going to get zero and

1442
01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:03,539
Henry into this and we're gonna bring

1443
01:09:08,779 --> 01:09:06,750
this to the world's attention now now

1444
01:09:10,999 --> 01:09:08,789
we're dealing with the conspiracy right

1445
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:11,009
not a single killer that's the first

1446
01:09:17,289 --> 01:09:13,739
thing but the next thing that comes to

1447
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:17,299
mind and I've got a list of questions

1448
01:09:25,789 --> 01:09:20,489
ready to go not written but on my brain

1449
01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:25,799
is this they're in a conspiracy such as

1450
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:27,989
this where the crimes needed to be

1451
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:30,659
committed the same now we're talking

1452
01:09:37,999 --> 01:09:35,219
about planning and and how yeah a lot of

1453
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:38,009
planning and how these victims were

1454
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:39,769
going to be killed and they needed to be

1455
01:09:45,379 --> 01:09:43,769
similar enough that the police and the

1456
01:09:49,459 --> 01:09:45,389
detectives and everybody else in

1457
01:09:51,879 --> 01:09:49,469
Scotland Yard is going to assume that it

1458
01:09:57,049 --> 01:09:51,889
was just one killer doing everything

1459
01:09:57,799 --> 01:09:57,059
with one mindset right right so yes yes

1460
01:10:02,509 --> 01:09:57,809
yes

1461
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,519
that the forensics weren't like they are

1462
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:04,400
today so they'd never dreamed that

1463
01:10:08,209 --> 01:10:07,050
scientists would figure out forensic

1464
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:08,219
scientists would figure out that there

1465
01:10:13,339 --> 01:10:10,050
were two knives used in some of the

1466
01:10:15,799 --> 01:10:13,349
killings one in others and that the nice

1467
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:15,809
length would be calculated and that you

1468
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:17,670
know in some cases the handedness left

1469
01:10:22,759 --> 01:10:19,980
or right of the killer might be

1470
01:10:25,549 --> 01:10:22,769
calculated that's kind of junk science

1471
01:10:27,529 --> 01:10:25,559
according to my co-authors but people

1472
01:10:27,859 --> 01:10:27,539
have assigned left handedness to to the

1473
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:27,869
killer

1474
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:31,500
in one case so you know they didn't

1475
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:33,449
really have to strive to mo is the same

1476
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:36,780
because in fact the emmos were the same

1477
01:10:41,569 --> 01:10:39,570
it was it was always the three guys

1478
01:10:43,490 --> 01:10:41,579
committing the killings together except

1479
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:43,500
the double the second of the double

1480
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:47,510
event where one guy was missing now

1481
01:10:54,879 --> 01:10:51,170
then the next thing if this is your

1482
01:10:58,089 --> 01:10:54,889
you're dealing with some sick minds here

1483
01:11:01,390 --> 01:10:58,099
was there another aside from just

1484
01:11:03,759 --> 01:11:01,400
killing what was what was the motive you

1485
01:11:06,430 --> 01:11:03,769
know was it was it some kind of ritual

1486
01:11:08,890 --> 01:11:06,440
you know was there something else more

1487
01:11:12,129 --> 01:11:08,900
sinister besides just killing

1488
01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:12,139
prostitutes absolutely well it was race

1489
01:11:17,109 --> 01:11:14,150
religion and politics not necessarily in

1490
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,119
that order the terror terror attacks you

1491
01:11:22,509 --> 01:11:20,239
know similar to what Isis does today

1492
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:22,519
they were absolutely attacks on

1493
01:11:25,870 --> 01:11:24,590
capitalism and Christianity which are

1494
01:11:28,569 --> 01:11:25,880
the greatest enemies of the anarchist

1495
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:28,579
cause my men were members of an

1496
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:31,550
anarchist Club which you know their main

1497
01:11:36,819 --> 01:11:33,289
mission in life was to bring down the

1498
01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:36,829
British Empire any way possible and so

1499
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:39,500
the the crimes were absolutely targeting

1500
01:11:46,089 --> 01:11:43,010
race were actually race religion and

1501
01:11:48,189 --> 01:11:46,099
politically motivated without question

1502
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:48,199
and and what happened was they decided

1503
01:11:54,879 --> 01:11:50,750
to target prostitutes because it was

1504
01:11:56,529 --> 01:11:54,889
salacious you know sex sells you even

1505
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,539
today if you pick up the newspaper and

1506
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:57,920
you see something about you know the

1507
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:00,230
Long Island serial killer it attracts

1508
01:12:05,229 --> 01:12:02,750
the attention and in in the Korean

1509
01:12:07,029 --> 01:12:05,239
society Victorian England it was

1510
01:12:08,669 --> 01:12:07,039
something very salacious that would grab

1511
01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:08,679
headlines would grab people's attention

1512
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:12,260
you know today Isis uses these high-tech

1513
01:12:18,759 --> 01:12:16,730
high def videos of them killing people

1514
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:18,769
that we would that they consider martyrs

1515
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:21,530
dying for their cause you know and they

1516
01:12:27,549 --> 01:12:24,530
do that for sort of a propaganda purpose

1517
01:12:29,919 --> 01:12:27,559
for their cause you know but but rather

1518
01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:29,929
than just randomly killing mowing down a

1519
01:12:35,339 --> 01:12:32,440
crowd of people in Nice or New York City

1520
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:35,349
what they did was they they handpick

1521
01:12:41,259 --> 01:12:38,090
prostitutes not because they hated

1522
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:41,269
prostitutes per se you know according to

1523
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:42,170
Karl Marx

1524
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:44,570
you know from dating back from 1844 his

1525
01:12:49,959 --> 01:12:46,130
treatise he did on economics and

1526
01:12:51,549 --> 01:12:49,969
philosophy team names Christianity and

1527
01:12:54,729 --> 01:12:51,559
capitalism as the greatest enemies of

1528
01:12:56,910 --> 01:12:54,739
his cause and he is very very adamantly

1529
01:13:00,980 --> 01:12:56,920
against prostitution he considers

1530
01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:00,990
prostitution the absolute most agreed

1531
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:04,540
exploitation of human beings possible so

1532
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,010
he doesn't hate prostitutes

1533
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:08,320
he hates prostitution and I think that

1534
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:10,450
he looked at they looked at the

1535
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:13,300
targeting of prostitutes as a way of you

1536
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,740
know somebody's going to have to die in

1537
01:13:19,770 --> 01:13:16,800
this war and it's not going to be us

1538
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:19,780
they thought you guys are martyrs in

1539
01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:21,340
fact in their own club newspaper they

1540
01:13:24,690 --> 01:13:22,720
referred to the victims as martyrs

1541
01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:24,700
meaning they died for their cause that

1542
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:26,920
religious cause the girls were all

1543
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:29,920
Christians by the way but I but I

1544
01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:32,530
believe that they chose the prostitutes

1545
01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:34,540
for that salacious reason and they

1546
01:13:37,980 --> 01:13:36,460
thought somebody's going to die in this

1547
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:37,990
war if you look at Vietnam look how many

1548
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:40,180
Americans died in Vietnam to gain I

1549
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:43,600
don't know really not much but in this

1550
01:13:48,150 --> 01:13:45,400
war the casualties were going to be

1551
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:48,160
prostitutes but in the end prostitutes

1552
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:50,920
benefited thousands of prostitutes I

1553
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:53,290
hate to give these guys any credit but

1554
01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:55,510
Queen Victoria was forced to clean up

1555
01:14:00,240 --> 01:13:58,510
Whitechapel and and help the Jews the

1556
01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:00,250
you know who were working under this

1557
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:02,260
what they call the sweating system that

1558
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:05,440
was the almost a slavery of Jews and and

1559
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:07,390
the prostitutes that existed in

1560
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:09,100
Whitechapel she had to clean that up

1561
01:14:13,410 --> 01:14:10,930
because the world's attention was now

1562
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:13,420
brought to this dirty underbelly of

1563
01:14:18,810 --> 01:14:15,580
England they wanted to bring the world's

1564
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:18,820
attention to this impoverished diseased

1565
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:21,910
area of London just you know blood miles

1566
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:24,310
from from Buckingham Palace you know

1567
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,930
instead of people thinking of palaces

1568
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:27,760
and polo games and fountains and tea and

1569
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:29,530
crumpets people were reading about

1570
01:14:34,590 --> 01:14:32,230
poverty and homelessness and disease and

1571
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:34,600
prostitution and crime and murder in

1572
01:14:39,870 --> 01:14:37,090
Whitechapel you know on the British

1573
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:39,880
Empire that where the Sun never sets so

1574
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:42,000
they used this as a propaganda tool

1575
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:46,990
yeah there's no most I can't imagine

1576
01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:48,760
what the real conditions were and

1577
01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:52,510
Whitechapel back then most today even

1578
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:54,340
though it's just a little over a hundred

1579
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:56,460
years ago we don't have any concept of

1580
01:15:01,800 --> 01:14:58,780
what it was like there because there

1581
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,810
were referee refugees and immigrants

1582
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:04,000
from all over the world that were forced

1583
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:08,130
to live there it was way over populated

1584
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:12,310
the the economic conditions there every

1585
01:15:17,709 --> 01:15:13,489
but it was

1586
01:15:19,779 --> 01:15:17,719
it was it was a slum slave labor like

1587
01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:19,789
you're saying it was diseased it was

1588
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:23,960
dirty there were so many prostitutes and

1589
01:15:30,989 --> 01:15:27,050
brothels there and and crime and and

1590
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:30,999
just it was a very very very dark place

1591
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:35,530
to the word live yeah it was absolutely

1592
01:15:43,839 --> 01:15:40,159
just like that and so I agree with you

1593
01:15:46,779 --> 01:15:43,849
if you're going to go and and try to

1594
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:46,789
change things or bring publicity to this

1595
01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:49,900
or amplify and confirm everybody's

1596
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:53,630
perceptions of Whitechapel right the

1597
01:15:58,450 --> 01:15:56,090
disease the crime the prostitution the

1598
01:16:00,759 --> 01:15:58,460
gambling all of the things you know the

1599
01:16:02,819 --> 01:16:00,769
the economic conditions well then why

1600
01:16:05,410 --> 01:16:02,829
not string together a bunch of

1601
01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:05,420
prostitutes that are being murdered

1602
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:08,230
there and it proves to everybody around

1603
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:11,690
the perceptions of Whitechapel that it

1604
01:16:15,220 --> 01:16:13,400
was just the whole world was talking

1605
01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:15,230
about Whitechapel David was talking

1606
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:18,230
about it absolutely work it was a big

1607
01:16:24,009 --> 01:16:21,590
deal back then and now okay so let me

1608
01:16:27,759 --> 01:16:24,019
back up that kind of sets the scene for

1609
01:16:30,580 --> 01:16:27,769
for everybody on on what was going on

1610
01:16:34,180 --> 01:16:30,590
with these murders but with the four the

1611
01:16:37,209 --> 01:16:34,190
three plus one that you have named did

1612
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:37,219
any of them kill before I mean just

1613
01:16:43,419 --> 01:16:39,440
going out and starting to go on a

1614
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:43,429
killing spree is one thing but doing you

1615
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:45,530
know had did they have criminal

1616
01:16:49,109 --> 01:16:46,249
backgrounds

1617
01:16:51,489 --> 01:16:49,119
did they ever murder anybody be well

1618
01:16:54,970 --> 01:16:51,499
remember that there the violence

1619
01:16:56,799 --> 01:16:54,980
escalated but I did uncover that one of

1620
01:16:59,709 --> 01:16:56,809
my suspects Samuel Friedman had a rape

1621
01:17:01,330 --> 01:16:59,719
conviction in 1886 two years before the

1622
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,340
Ripper killings he's one of the guys

1623
01:17:06,009 --> 01:17:03,199
that supposedly found the body of Liz

1624
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,019
stride with steamships he had a rape

1625
01:17:11,229 --> 01:17:08,719
conviction and I also subsequently found

1626
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:11,239
burglary and petty theft conviction for

1627
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:15,590
him as well now again I believe that the

1628
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:16,940
violence escalated

1629
01:17:22,419 --> 01:17:19,130
they started with attacking the women

1630
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:22,429
and it escalated as crime went on now

1631
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:25,249
the three of my suspects along with one

1632
01:17:28,990 --> 01:17:27,020
of their wife were

1633
01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:29,000
were arrested for a violent crime six

1634
01:17:34,690 --> 01:17:31,340
months after the double event which had

1635
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,700
some amazing coincidences with the

1636
01:17:38,410 --> 01:17:36,800
double event that I like to you know

1637
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:38,420
explain to your your listeners whether

1638
01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:41,570
it's an hour later but to answer your

1639
01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:43,340
initial question the only one that I

1640
01:17:47,260 --> 01:17:45,830
could find actual criminal record for is

1641
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:47,270
Samuel Friedman with a rape conviction

1642
01:17:52,270 --> 01:17:49,790
but that's very pertinent because if you

1643
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:52,280
think about a guy who's raped a woman in

1644
01:17:55,330 --> 01:17:53,300
1886

1645
01:17:59,140 --> 01:17:55,340
it's not that far cried to see that he

1646
01:18:01,810 --> 01:17:59,150
could escalate furthermore in the 1880s

1647
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:01,820
in England if you would imagine think

1648
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:05,350
about the 70s 80s maybe even today in

1649
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:08,570
America some women are reluctant to

1650
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:10,850
report a rape because they a lot of

1651
01:18:14,020 --> 01:18:13,610
times get accused of sort of being at

1652
01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:14,030
fault

1653
01:18:17,500 --> 01:18:15,200
you know while you were wearing a

1654
01:18:19,150 --> 01:18:17,510
miniskirt you asked for it or you went

1655
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,160
to his hotel room you know what did you

1656
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:20,960
think Mike Tyson was going to do right

1657
01:18:27,190 --> 01:18:24,020
and and so you know a lot of women are

1658
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:27,200
reluctant even now so imagine in that

1659
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:29,270
Society of Victorian England that

1660
01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:31,820
prudish society for for a rape

1661
01:18:37,930 --> 01:18:35,300
conviction to be obtained in 1886 it had

1662
01:18:40,660 --> 01:18:37,940
to be a very sort of egregious offence

1663
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:40,670
there had to be some serious violence or

1664
01:18:44,980 --> 01:18:41,870
it had to be against someone of

1665
01:18:47,380 --> 01:18:44,990
importance it had to be maybe involving

1666
01:18:49,570 --> 01:18:47,390
a minor there had to be some extenuating

1667
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:49,580
circumstances to that but for that

1668
01:18:55,060 --> 01:18:52,250
conviction to be obtained and so we know

1669
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:55,070
that one of my guys at minimum had this

1670
01:19:01,120 --> 01:18:58,010
this record now the other two one was

1671
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:01,130
very very young and the other came from

1672
01:19:04,750 --> 01:19:02,750
Russia not long before the crimes

1673
01:19:07,630 --> 01:19:04,760
occurred so he could very well have

1674
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:07,640
committed murders in his own country now

1675
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:12,770
didn't Emma Smith she she said that she

1676
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:15,490
you're gonna have to help me out here

1677
01:19:21,970 --> 01:19:18,530
she was attacked by a group too as well

1678
01:19:25,180 --> 01:19:21,980
and that was that that it was more than

1679
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:25,190
one what were the ages you know I think

1680
01:19:29,380 --> 01:19:26,810
where I'm gonna go with this in a second

1681
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:29,390
what were the ages okay what were the

1682
01:19:34,890 --> 01:19:31,690
ages of your four

1683
01:19:37,620 --> 01:19:34,900
she said one guy that punched me in the

1684
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:37,630
eye was probably 40 and then he stood

1685
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:40,210
guard which fits the mo that of the

1686
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,760
other crimes as well she said the main

1687
01:19:48,450 --> 01:19:44,560
guy that seemed to be the leader of the

1688
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:48,460
group was probably 26 to 30 and she said

1689
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:50,170
the one that was the most brutal the one

1690
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:52,000
that raped me the one that shoved some

1691
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:54,370
object into my vagina which eventually

1692
01:19:58,910 --> 01:19:55,210
caused her death

1693
01:20:02,910 --> 01:19:58,920
right a peritonitis was she said around

1694
01:20:05,729 --> 01:20:02,920
1980 me at that time Dean teenager now

1695
01:20:08,340 --> 01:20:05,739
at that time Lois team shoots the leader

1696
01:20:12,090 --> 01:20:08,350
of the group was 26 or 27 years old

1697
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:12,100
Samuel Friedman was 41 or 42 and Isaac

1698
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:16,590
Koza Brodsky was 17 or 18 at that time

1699
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:20,800
so now does this is this part of you

1700
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:22,960
know when when Baden is looking at this

1701
01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:25,199
and whacked

1702
01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:28,420
you know Michael zero and Henry two as

1703
01:20:34,919 --> 01:20:30,580
well when they look at this is this part

1704
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:34,929
of assembling the evidence together

1705
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,900
because this is like this is

1706
01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:39,280
corroborating which you are bringing

1707
01:20:43,979 --> 01:20:41,830
forward and it seems pretty damning to

1708
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:43,989
me because she was a witness and a

1709
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:48,159
victim absolutely and and it fits with

1710
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:50,170
the pattern I mean historically if you

1711
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:52,449
look at crimes that were committed by

1712
01:20:56,970 --> 01:20:54,489
multiple killers there have been a

1713
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:56,980
number of crimes serial murders

1714
01:21:00,300 --> 01:20:58,270
committed by multiple killers through

1715
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:00,310
the years and and even maybe the Long

1716
01:21:03,689 --> 01:21:01,750
Island serial killer we haven't caught

1717
01:21:05,070 --> 01:21:03,699
yet or they think they might have you

1718
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:05,080
know could have been a multiple killer

1719
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:06,400
situation but you know they had the

1720
01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:08,530
Chicago rippers the hillside Stranglers

1721
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:10,600
Bonin Bianchi there was Shermantine and

1722
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:14,409
Herzog the Gallegos the couple the Fall

1723
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:17,409
River Massachusetts called the and in

1724
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,210
the news just recently this Russian

1725
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:21,040
cannibal couple you know

1726
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:23,320
it's historically there have been many

1727
01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:25,210
groups that have committed murders

1728
01:21:32,010 --> 01:21:29,020
together and in every case the the

1729
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:32,020
murders the violence escalates and they

1730
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:34,780
learn as they go in this case you know

1731
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:36,489
some people think the Ripper had to have

1732
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:39,250
been a doctor right here's the thing you

1733
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:41,920
know I live in rural Pennsylvania and I

1734
01:21:45,570 --> 01:21:44,320
have friends here that had never

1735
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:45,580
graduated high school

1736
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:47,890
but they can gut a deer sure without

1737
01:21:53,010 --> 01:21:50,170
spilling hardly any blood and without

1738
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:53,020
damaging an organ and they can get that

1739
01:21:57,900 --> 01:21:56,230
thing cleaned out and in minutes experts

1740
01:21:59,730 --> 01:21:57,910
with these guys have no words

1741
01:22:01,920 --> 01:21:59,740
Yeah right but how how did they learn

1742
01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:01,930
they learn by doing they did it since

1743
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:03,340
they're you know they were young they

1744
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:05,920
started in their teens and by the time

1745
01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:07,330
they get to their ninth 10th year

1746
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:09,460
they're practically a surgeon in that

1747
01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:11,770
respect I mean not a surgeon but that

1748
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:13,780
kind of surgical precision so to me and

1749
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:16,630
to my doctors means nothing none of them

1750
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:18,610
believe that the Ripper necessarily had

1751
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:20,290
to have surgical background they

1752
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:21,910
believed that from looking at the

1753
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:24,010
evidence from the very first attack and

1754
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:27,490
the progression through to the 13th you

1755
01:22:32,610 --> 01:22:30,520
can see this guy or guys we're learning

1756
01:22:34,860 --> 01:22:32,620
as they went and learning where the

1757
01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:34,870
organs were learning how to remove the

1758
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:37,420
organs without damaging them I I've got

1759
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:39,250
a buddy here that can do that with a

1760
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:42,760
deer I mean it's just it's very normal

1761
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:45,310
here in Northeast Pennsylvania for guys

1762
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:47,530
to know how to do that and and there's

1763
01:22:52,140 --> 01:22:49,270
no telling that my guys weren't hunters

1764
01:22:57,020 --> 01:22:52,150
in their own countries what kind of time

1765
01:23:01,650 --> 01:22:57,030
spanned for these crimes the murders

1766
01:23:04,170 --> 01:23:01,660
three years short of about two days and

1767
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:04,180
that's that's pretty scary that is a lot

1768
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:07,210
of terror for for even Whitechapel to go

1769
01:23:14,850 --> 01:23:13,060
through oh yeah now it was you know the

1770
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:14,860
dates of the murders were very

1771
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:17,890
significant if you look at the way Isis

1772
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:20,860
does things for example today Halloween

1773
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,120
attack they pick significant dates for

1774
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,480
their attacks a lot of times and my guys

1775
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:30,880
absolutely did picked significant dates

1776
01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:34,330
for their crimes and of these 13 murders

1777
01:23:41,460 --> 01:23:38,830
and maybe 14 13 of the 14 were committed

1778
01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:41,470
on special days of the Eastern

1779
01:23:44,670 --> 01:23:43,000
liturgical faith which is the one

1780
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:44,680
practiced in Russia which is where my

1781
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:47,710
guys come from right there are days that

1782
01:23:52,580 --> 01:23:50,710
celebrate Mother Mary Mary Theotokos

1783
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:52,590
which is the Greek name for mother Mary

1784
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:55,360
now these days that the murders were all

1785
01:24:01,200 --> 01:23:58,090
committed on where Theotokos days

1786
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:01,210
and there are only 12 Theotokos days in

1787
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:04,150
a year so I have a friend who's a math

1788
01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:07,510
professor and I approached him and I

1789
01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:11,140
said hey Tony if I gave you 13 murders

1790
01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:13,900
that took place over a three year span

1791
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:16,270
almost to the day two of them happened

1792
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:19,030
on the same day a year apart and I told

1793
01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:21,010
you that every one of them took place on

1794
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:23,500
the Theotokos day of which there are

1795
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:26,110
only 12 in a year what would the odds be

1796
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,770
against that being coincidental and

1797
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:30,880
after a little bit of time calculating

1798
01:24:35,850 --> 01:24:33,190
he said to me that number doesn't have a

1799
01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:35,860
name but it's represented by a seven

1800
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:38,980
followed by 15 zeroes to 1 against it

1801
01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:41,170
being coincidental therefore we can

1802
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:43,390
absolutely with complete certainty say

1803
01:24:49,050 --> 01:24:47,050
was not a coincidence so you know all of

1804
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:49,060
those murders and attacks took place on

1805
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:51,430
these Theotokos days except one and

1806
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:53,650
there are other amazing coincidences

1807
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,810
other days that were significant or

1808
01:25:01,860 --> 01:24:57,280
those same days were significant in

1809
01:25:03,710 --> 01:25:01,870
other ways as well so you know no go

1810
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:03,720
ahead go ahead go ahead

1811
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:06,880
well it just if you look at the the fact

1812
01:25:10,230 --> 01:25:08,290
that they were they were doing these

1813
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:10,240
attacks on days that were dedicated in

1814
01:25:14,940 --> 01:25:12,010
the Eastern liturgical Bible to mother

1815
01:25:17,700 --> 01:25:14,950
Mary you can see that it's absolutely an

1816
01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:17,710
attack on Christianity as well as an

1817
01:25:21,690 --> 01:25:19,870
attack on capitalism or you know the

1818
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:21,700
British government they were trying to

1819
01:25:26,130 --> 01:25:23,290
bring down the British government that

1820
01:25:28,170 --> 01:25:26,140
was their club's motto actually and they

1821
01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:28,180
were attacking Christianity they

1822
01:25:32,970 --> 01:25:30,760
absolutely chose Theotokos days to

1823
01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:32,980
commit their crimes in fact they ran out

1824
01:25:37,230 --> 01:25:35,380
of Theotokos days because there was only

1825
01:25:39,630 --> 01:25:37,240
12 in a year so they had to do one of

1826
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:39,640
them on September 8 again on the same

1827
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:41,290
day year apart because they ran out of

1828
01:25:48,210 --> 01:25:44,530
field goes days now why didn't the

1829
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:48,220
Metropolitan Police figure that out I

1830
01:25:53,310 --> 01:25:51,340
mean it do you know what I don't know I

1831
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,320
really don't know I really couldn't tell

1832
01:25:57,380 --> 01:25:54,880
you other than the fact that anybody

1833
01:26:00,120 --> 01:25:57,390
that practiced Eastern liturgical

1834
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:00,130
Christianity probably didn't speak

1835
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:01,870
English or wasn't prepared to go and

1836
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:04,450
help the police or didn't see the

1837
01:26:09,630 --> 01:26:06,730
connection I mean I didn't see it I had

1838
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:09,640
to you know it took almost a computer to

1839
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:11,920
calculate that to find that out

1840
01:26:16,110 --> 01:26:14,770
and I just think that it's really hard

1841
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:16,120
to a lot of people ask me a question

1842
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:18,610
Jimmy a lot of people say geez but I

1843
01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:19,990
look at all your evidence and see what

1844
01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:21,460
you gathered and everything you found

1845
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:23,500
why didn't somebody else figure this out

1846
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:24,880
before you and you know I can't really

1847
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:27,370
answer that I don't know why they didn't

1848
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:29,080
because to me it seems very basic but it

1849
01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:33,790
took me 40 years okay let's I gotta take

1850
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:35,800
a break right here but when we come back

1851
01:26:42,930 --> 01:26:40,180
I want to go through each victim and how

1852
01:26:45,780 --> 01:26:42,940
they were killed and and the

1853
01:26:47,490 --> 01:26:45,790
similarities between those also some of

1854
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:47,500
the additional victims that may be

1855
01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:49,960
outside of the original five eleven

1856
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:53,680
thirteen or fourteen that were killed

1857
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:56,890
and and in the style of what is going on

1858
01:27:02,730 --> 01:26:59,610
here it's Halloween so let's talk about

1859
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:02,740
knives and bodies and we'll do all of

1860
01:27:05,940 --> 01:27:03,910
that when we come back

1861
01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:05,950
this is fade to black I'm Erica Church

1862
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:07,990
our guest tonight Randy Williams ever

1863
01:27:12,750 --> 01:27:10,480
talking about his new book which is

1864
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:12,760
called Sherlock Holmes and the autumn of

1865
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:16,840
terror and as I am trying to dial up

1866
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:18,970
hold on for a second I have the wrong

1867
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:22,000
mouse in my hand there is an explanation

1868
01:27:25,530 --> 01:27:22,930
for that

1869
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,540
Randy I'll tell you all about it when we

1870
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:27,040
come back this is fade to black I'm

1871
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:29,710
Yours Jimi Church happy Halloween

1872
01:27:44,290 --> 01:27:31,530
everybody stay with us

1873
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:54,479
[Music]

1874
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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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experienced more than our fair share

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1932
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1933
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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

1934
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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

1935
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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

1936
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1937
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televised the revolution is on radio

1938
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1939
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all right welcome back fade to black how

1940
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many rows should be Church happy

1941
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1942
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1943
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1944
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1945
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1946
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open live and active as they always are

1947
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guests tonight Randy Williams we're

1948
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discussing his new books on this

1949
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Halloween called Sherlock Holmes and the

1950
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autumn of terror which is Sherlock

1951
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Holmes and Jack the Ripper and those

1952
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series of crimes that happened in

1953
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Whitechapel back in 1888 through 1891

1954
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and I wanted to ask how how how was each

1955
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victim killed well you know it's very

1956
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like I said the the violence escalated

1957
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from any Millwood who was basically

1958
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stabbed you know in the buttocks you

1959
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know some guy supposedly came out of a

1960
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crowd stabbed there a bunch of times in

1961
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the you know then nobody knows the exact

1962
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number of wounds but she was stabbed all

1963
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around the legs and buttocks and she

1964
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died oddly ten days later but supposedly

1965
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not related to this stabbing I find it

1966
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kind of hard to believe but that's what

1967
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the doctor he decided you know then it

1968
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went to this you know ADA Wilson and ADA

1969
01:32:57,099 --> 01:32:54,949
Wilson was stabbed twice in the throat

1970
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which one would think that was an

1971
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attempt to kill her

1972
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not just to assault her so when we look

1973
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at a two wilson stabbed twice in the

1974
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throat I think they were trying to kill

1975
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her but we get into this kind of a

1976
01:33:14,289 --> 01:33:11,479
strange area with the killings of

1977
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they're they're they're mutating into

1978
01:33:20,169 --> 01:33:16,659
what looks like what's called a shequida

1979
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which is a ritual kosher killing that

1980
01:33:24,909 --> 01:33:22,489
still practice to this very day by

1981
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kosher butchers called show Chet and

1982
01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:27,799
there's a method of killing an animal in

1983
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such a way that first the blood pressure

1984
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is relieved by a small cut on one side

1985
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of the neck and then the rest of the cut

1986
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is made across the neck in the second

1987
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slice that ends the life quickly and the

1988
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blood is drained into a cup called a

1989
01:33:46,059 --> 01:33:44,269
cliche rate when we look at some of the

1990
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murders Polly Nichols for example one of

1991
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the Canonical's mm-hmm she had two cuts

1992
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across her throat

1993
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one was a short one about an inch below

1994
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her jaw and then the other one was four

1995
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inches and ran right across the next

1996
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Annie Chapman had two distinct clean

1997
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cuts on the left side of her spine

1998
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Liz stride one of the double event

1999
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murders there was a clean cut incision

2000
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on her neck six inches in length and

2001
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then you know another one a 1/2 inch

2002
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higher you have Catherine Eddowes her

2003
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throat was cut across to the extent of

2004
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about six or seven inches and a

2005
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superficial cut though commenced a half

2006
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an inch or an inch and a half below the

2007
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other one so these all fit in with this

2008
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idea of this kosher killing Mary Kelly

2009
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as well the neck was cut through the

2010
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skin right down to the vertebrae of her

2011
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neck and you could see more than one cut

2012
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Alice Mackenzie had two jagged wounds on

2013
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the left side of her neck that were no

2014
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longer than four inches each Frances

2015
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calls also had the to cut signature on

2016
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her neck so you know there's this type

2017
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of killing that's a ritual kosher

2018
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killing which these fit very closely

2019
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into that and in fact if you look at

2020
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Polly Nichols that I mentioned before

2021
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:04,350
the first you know canonical killing

2022
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everyone agrees on um there was a

2023
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:08,820
remarkable absence of blood on her

2024
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clothing from having her throat cut

2025
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:12,960
where did the blood go never was

2026
01:35:21,260 --> 01:35:17,490
accounted for was that the same thing I

2027
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:21,270
want to say on the blood aspect with the

2028
01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:24,480
rest of the victims and with that type

2029
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of you know the the cutting of the neck

2030
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or or so you know where did all the

2031
01:35:36,140 --> 01:35:32,550
blood go with everybody else was it at

2032
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:36,150
the scene well that's not always there

2033
01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:38,520
there was a distinct shortage of blood

2034
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:42,510
at for example this tried scene that the

2035
01:35:46,010 --> 01:35:44,250
doctor said there was only enough blood

2036
01:35:48,170 --> 01:35:46,020
there something that ran down the gutter

2037
01:35:50,030 --> 01:35:48,180
all right the doctor said oh there was

2038
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:50,040
only you thought enough blood there to

2039
01:35:54,170 --> 01:35:52,710
fill a wineglass which doctor whacked

2040
01:35:55,550 --> 01:35:54,180
and bowed and say no that's not enough

2041
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:55,560
blood where's the rest of the blood

2042
01:35:59,210 --> 01:35:56,970
right they've looked at all the

2043
01:36:00,650 --> 01:35:59,220
coroner's reports and they're saying

2044
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:00,660
where's the blood granny where's the

2045
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:02,490
blood you got to figure this out where's

2046
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:03,600
the blood and

2047
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,090
that's what led me to this this Chiquita

2048
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:08,880
kosher killing because when they do this

2049
01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:12,090
ritual killing they hold a cup

2050
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underneath the wound to catch the blood

2051
01:36:19,070 --> 01:36:16,920
and sometimes they'll be a couple of

2052
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:19,080
guys taking part and eat they're called

2053
01:36:22,730 --> 01:36:21,510
Cohen's and these guys will fill one cup

2054
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:22,740
handed off to the next guy and get

2055
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:25,110
another cup and stop the blood from

2056
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:26,970
hitting the ground and they'll collect

2057
01:36:32,150 --> 01:36:28,770
the blood to be used for some ritual

2058
01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:32,160
purpose so it looks like there's a

2059
01:36:36,980 --> 01:36:33,780
shortage of blood and some of these in

2060
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:36,990
some of these cases and this would kind

2061
01:36:42,110 --> 01:36:40,170
of account for that why and if you look

2062
01:36:44,810 --> 01:36:42,120
at the cuts on the woman's necks they

2063
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:44,820
fit with this kosher killing idea of a

2064
01:36:51,140 --> 01:36:47,910
short cut followed by a long cut now

2065
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:51,150
there's with any of them

2066
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:53,850
I did you know draining the blood that's

2067
01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:54,840
going to kill somebody

2068
01:37:00,620 --> 01:36:57,960
okay I understand that with any of the

2069
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:00,630
victims did they have any other wounds

2070
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:04,650
that could have killed them oh yeah I

2071
01:37:10,490 --> 01:37:08,010
mean as as the killings progressed we

2072
01:37:12,230 --> 01:37:10,500
get to you know the killing of Annie

2073
01:37:14,660 --> 01:37:12,240
Chapman the evisceration

2074
01:37:18,620 --> 01:37:14,670
you know the taking away of organs the

2075
01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:18,630
taking away of the uterus of Catherine

2076
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:21,390
Eddowes the the missing the taking out

2077
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:23,850
of the heart the missing uterus the

2078
01:37:32,630 --> 01:37:28,710
missing heart of Mary Kelly and so no I

2079
01:37:34,250 --> 01:37:32,640
understand yeah I understand I'm sorry I

2080
01:37:35,420 --> 01:37:34,260
sound like I'm really rude and

2081
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:35,430
interrupting you I don't want to

2082
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:39,930
interrupt my my my understanding with

2083
01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:44,970
that is that was after they died so what

2084
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:47,820
I'm suggesting here is did anybody you

2085
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:50,970
know died of you know a blow to the head

2086
01:37:57,380 --> 01:37:54,330
or something like that before the organs

2087
01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:57,390
were removed and everything else or did

2088
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:01,920
everybody die silently from the draining

2089
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,360
of blood and then everything else

2090
01:38:09,170 --> 01:38:06,480
happened yes right what they did was

2091
01:38:10,580 --> 01:38:09,180
they disabled the victim they silenced

2092
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:10,590
her because there were three guys so

2093
01:38:14,990 --> 01:38:12,810
we've even figured out exactly how they

2094
01:38:16,850 --> 01:38:15,000
did it a sort of Half Nelson hold with

2095
01:38:17,390 --> 01:38:16,860
the hand over the mouth to silence the

2096
01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:17,400
victim in

2097
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:18,600
pull her head back while the other one

2098
01:38:23,899 --> 01:38:22,320
cut the throat and held the cup and

2099
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,909
that's where they would die and be

2100
01:38:27,740 --> 01:38:25,440
silenced and what you cut that throat

2101
01:38:30,260 --> 01:38:27,750
the vocal cords are now severed right

2102
01:38:31,610 --> 01:38:30,270
and so they're silent and then the rest

2103
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,620
of the work

2104
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:33,600
I should call work but the rest of the

2105
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:36,330
the crime would be committed with the

2106
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:39,120
victim being silent and relatively

2107
01:38:44,270 --> 01:38:41,460
unable to fight back maybe not dead

2108
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:44,280
maybe dying but certainly the the blood

2109
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:46,710
flow starched and and the victim

2110
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:52,800
helpless nobody heard anything right I

2111
01:39:00,140 --> 01:38:58,230
there were there was nothing okay what

2112
01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:00,150
people heard something what did they

2113
01:39:08,090 --> 01:39:05,190
hear well for example the best witness

2114
01:39:11,149 --> 01:39:08,100
of all in my book is a guy called Israel

2115
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:11,159
Schwartz a Jewish man who lived just

2116
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:12,810
doors down from the International

2117
01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:15,300
workingmen's Club he stumbled upon the

2118
01:39:21,050 --> 01:39:18,870
attack taking place he identified a guy

2119
01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:21,060
that exactly matches those Dean shits

2120
01:39:27,290 --> 01:39:23,880
his description attacking a woman and

2121
01:39:28,700 --> 01:39:27,300
when he went to assist he said a second

2122
01:39:30,350 --> 01:39:28,710
man came from across the street but this

2123
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:30,360
guy was stood across the street guarding

2124
01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:32,580
smoking a pipe and came and chased them

2125
01:39:37,610 --> 01:39:34,590
away after having been called the Jewish

2126
01:39:40,430 --> 01:39:37,620
man's name he identified the two guys as

2127
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,440
having been Jewish he heard them

2128
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:42,960
exchange the name Lipsky which I believe

2129
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:44,760
was a code word because Lipsky was kind

2130
01:39:49,310 --> 01:39:47,550
of a a guy that was being railroaded in

2131
01:39:51,229 --> 01:39:49,320
their opinion by the Gentiles for a

2132
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:51,239
murder against Gentile woman that they

2133
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:53,610
believed he was innocent of and so I

2134
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:55,770
think they held his name up Lipsky kind

2135
01:40:01,790 --> 01:39:58,980
of us you know saying you know Jay or

2136
01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:01,800
saying you know Batista there's

2137
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:03,540
something when you're committing some

2138
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:04,890
sort of a crime in the name of a cause

2139
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:08,010
and so or the way the guys shout at

2140
01:40:11,149 --> 01:40:09,570
these these Isis killings you know what

2141
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:11,159
they all shout before they do it right

2142
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:13,770
so in that manner they shouted out a

2143
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:16,260
Jewish man's name who was in the news at

2144
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:18,420
the time as having been railroaded by

2145
01:40:22,850 --> 01:40:21,330
the Gentiles so we have Israel Schwartz

2146
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:22,860
who actually saw the thing taken place

2147
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:26,850
we have there was a woman who lived

2148
01:40:31,209 --> 01:40:29,489
above the second a murder at mitre

2149
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:31,219
square who claims to have heard

2150
01:40:36,919 --> 01:40:34,050
Catherine Eddowes talking and then

2151
01:40:39,709 --> 01:40:36,929
shouting something before the murder

2152
01:40:42,050 --> 01:40:39,719
took place in mitre square so there are

2153
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:42,060
there there there were some things heard

2154
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:46,380
and seen certainly but not no one

2155
01:40:50,990 --> 01:40:48,449
actually heard the victim screaming

2156
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:51,000
other than well I take that back there

2157
01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:52,620
was a woman who lived in the same

2158
01:40:59,870 --> 01:40:55,560
building as Mary Kelly uh who said she

2159
01:41:04,850 --> 01:40:59,880
heard a shout of a cry of Oh murder it's

2160
01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:04,860
coming from Kelly's room the the the the

2161
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:07,020
the men's club that we're talking about

2162
01:41:11,150 --> 01:41:09,000
here we brought it up a few times we

2163
01:41:12,590 --> 01:41:11,160
need to kind of back up and explain to

2164
01:41:17,419 --> 01:41:12,600
the audience what we're talking about

2165
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:17,429
here okay this men's club that the only

2166
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:19,050
reason we know about it is because a

2167
01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:20,610
murder took place outside it it was a

2168
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:22,260
strategic piece of propaganda in my

2169
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:24,239
opinion but it was called the

2170
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:26,760
International workingmen's educational

2171
01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:28,770
club and it was anything but an

2172
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:31,199
educational club it was a socialist club

2173
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:32,610
with branches in different cities around

2174
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:35,400
the world whose main agenda was to

2175
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:39,330
destroy the British Empire to destroy

2176
01:41:43,459 --> 01:41:40,890
what was called the sweating system

2177
01:41:45,979 --> 01:41:43,469
which was a sort of oppression against

2178
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:45,989
Jewish workers they basically were

2179
01:41:51,740 --> 01:41:48,510
forced to work in slave conditions slave

2180
01:41:54,250 --> 01:41:51,750
wages and we're forced to live in

2181
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:54,260
Whitechapel the worst area of London and

2182
01:41:59,479 --> 01:41:57,210
the the International workingmen's

2183
01:42:01,610 --> 01:41:59,489
educational club which had nothing to do

2184
01:42:05,570 --> 01:42:01,620
with education was purely a socialist

2185
01:42:07,610 --> 01:42:05,580
anarchist club which was was designed

2186
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:07,620
for guys to get together and sort of

2187
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:09,690
brainstorm different ways to bring down

2188
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,030
the British government Louis deem shirts

2189
01:42:17,450 --> 01:42:14,880
my lead suspect was discovered or

2190
01:42:21,260 --> 01:42:17,460
practically the president so to speak of

2191
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:21,270
that Club and he found quote-unquote the

2192
01:42:27,470 --> 01:42:23,640
body of Elizabeth stride outside that

2193
01:42:31,010 --> 01:42:27,480
club the night of the double event so he

2194
01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:31,020
was basically committing an act in order

2195
01:42:35,060 --> 01:42:33,630
to it was for propaganda purposes he

2196
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:35,070
wanted to bring the world's attention to

2197
01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:36,570
the International workingmen's Club and

2198
01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:38,820
indeed the only reason you and I are

2199
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:40,380
talking about it today is because of the

2200
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:42,270
Ripper killings none of us would know it

2201
01:42:47,470 --> 01:42:44,960
even existed so it was very effect

2202
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,480
in their own club newspaper the day

2203
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:49,280
after the double event team shirts and

2204
01:42:53,470 --> 01:42:50,960
company were out there posing for

2205
01:42:55,450 --> 01:42:53,480
pictures you know team shirts reenacted

2206
01:42:58,990 --> 01:42:55,460
his quote unquote finding of the body

2207
01:43:00,730 --> 01:42:59,000
for British newspapers and he posed for

2208
01:43:02,230 --> 01:43:00,740
them and he charged them admission to

2209
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:02,240
come in and look at the crime scene and

2210
01:43:07,780 --> 01:43:04,520
he gloated in his own newspaper in

2211
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:07,790
Yiddish in Hebrew rather he gloated in

2212
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:09,890
his own newspaper that these idiots

2213
01:43:14,110 --> 01:43:12,530
Gentiles were actually funding the

2214
01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:14,120
operation that would bring their country

2215
01:43:19,540 --> 01:43:17,150
down by paying him to reenact the

2216
01:43:23,260 --> 01:43:19,550
murders for him for them what about the

2217
01:43:26,170 --> 01:43:23,270
other three were they also members yes

2218
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:26,180
we have first of all the other two that

2219
01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:27,770
committed the murders cause Brodsky at

2220
01:43:32,770 --> 01:43:30,140
Friedman were club members and the man

2221
01:43:35,140 --> 01:43:32,780
who I believe funded it organized it

2222
01:43:37,540 --> 01:43:35,150
brainstormed it funded it put deem

2223
01:43:41,470 --> 01:43:37,550
shirts in place as the steward of the

2224
01:43:43,090 --> 01:43:41,480
club was a prince Peter Kropotkin who

2225
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:43,100
was one of the great anarchist thinkers

2226
01:43:48,190 --> 01:43:44,960
of the 1800s

2227
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:48,200
Kropotkin I believe he was the

2228
01:43:51,970 --> 01:43:50,210
mastermind really and he was the one

2229
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:51,980
that opened the club and put team shirts

2230
01:43:57,400 --> 01:43:53,630
in place he's also the one that

2231
01:43:59,560 --> 01:43:57,410
extracted deem shirts from England when

2232
01:44:02,200 --> 01:43:59,570
it got too hot he came to the club made

2233
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:02,210
an appearance with Stempniak a famous

2234
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:03,890
Russian playwright and author who was

2235
01:44:07,330 --> 01:44:05,350
himself a knife murderer who was

2236
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:07,340
expelled from Russia for the knife

2237
01:44:13,150 --> 01:44:10,130
murder of the head of the Russian secret

2238
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:13,160
police few years before he would travel

2239
01:44:16,030 --> 01:44:15,470
around with Kropotkin doing socialist

2240
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:16,040
speeches

2241
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:19,370
Kropotkin excised dean shirts from from

2242
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:21,950
the premises but so he wasn't just a

2243
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:23,600
club member he was actually the founder

2244
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,110
of the club amazing and what about what

2245
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:29,600
about Dean shirts and well all of them

2246
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:33,530
did they did they start to enjoy this

2247
01:44:38,260 --> 01:44:35,330
you know the killing I mean they

2248
01:44:40,150 --> 01:44:38,270
continued for years yeah I think cozy

2249
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:40,160
Brodsky did I think COEs Brodsky was a

2250
01:44:45,730 --> 01:44:44,210
young very malleable easily influenced

2251
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:45,740
young man who followed Dean shoots

2252
01:44:50,110 --> 01:44:48,890
around as the club Stewart you know and

2253
01:44:51,730 --> 01:44:50,120
sort of like a lapdog and would do

2254
01:44:53,260 --> 01:44:51,740
whatever he said and I think he's the

2255
01:44:54,730 --> 01:44:53,270
one that began to enjoy the work he was

2256
01:44:56,980 --> 01:44:54,740
the one that brutalized them Smith by

2257
01:44:58,540 --> 01:44:56,990
her testimony the young one was the one

2258
01:45:00,160 --> 01:44:58,550
that raped her and brutalized her

2259
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:00,170
and I think he's the one that did the

2260
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:02,000
most brutal of the killings and he in

2261
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:03,770
fact was the one that did the majority

2262
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:05,930
of the the second murder in mitre square

2263
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:07,730
of Catherine Eddowes where he carved his

2264
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:10,730
initials imk into her face three times

2265
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:15,410
and now back to Sherlock Holmes so in

2266
01:45:21,940 --> 01:45:18,080
the way that you've written this and

2267
01:45:24,850 --> 01:45:21,950
fictionalized this was there an aha

2268
01:45:27,190 --> 01:45:24,860
moment for Holmes as he's starting to

2269
01:45:30,490 --> 01:45:27,200
put this again or as Sherlock always did

2270
01:45:34,060 --> 01:45:30,500
right yes yes what was that yeah what

2271
01:45:36,730 --> 01:45:34,070
was the aha moment the moment was when

2272
01:45:39,010 --> 01:45:36,740
after these three men were arrested for

2273
01:45:41,470 --> 01:45:39,020
a violent crime that took place with

2274
01:45:43,420 --> 01:45:41,480
four amazing coincidences with the

2275
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:43,430
Ripper murders at the double event the

2276
01:45:48,670 --> 01:45:46,010
same guys and the wife of Dean shirts

2277
01:45:51,070 --> 01:45:48,680
that found the body of Elizabeth stride

2278
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:51,080
supposedly were involved in this other

2279
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,330
violent crimes and Holmes reads about it

2280
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:55,520
and sees wait a minute they attacked a

2281
01:45:58,690 --> 01:45:57,530
guy who lived at goostin Street which

2282
01:46:00,340 --> 01:45:58,700
was where the group Wilson Street

2283
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:00,350
graffito was left the Jews of the men

2284
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,250
that will not be blamed for nothing

2285
01:46:06,790 --> 01:46:04,000
mm-hmm Israel sunshine they attacked him

2286
01:46:09,370 --> 01:46:06,800
they they committed one of the they

2287
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:09,380
marched in front of the church of their

2288
01:46:15,310 --> 01:46:12,650
worst enemy chief rabbi dr. Adler whose

2289
01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:15,320
church was at mitre square they marched

2290
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:18,860
back assaulted Schwartz I'm sorry

2291
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:21,770
sunshine and then then assault when the

2292
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:23,390
police came they dragged a policeman to

2293
01:46:27,730 --> 01:46:25,850
the exact spot where scribes body had

2294
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:27,740
been found by them and beat him to a

2295
01:46:31,660 --> 01:46:30,530
bloody pulp with sticks and Dean shots

2296
01:46:33,460 --> 01:46:31,670
kicked him in the leg nearly broke his

2297
01:46:34,990 --> 01:46:33,470
leg they were all arrested

2298
01:46:36,580 --> 01:46:35,000
when they were arrested Dean ships's

2299
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,590
wife came out of the house it started

2300
01:46:41,710 --> 01:46:38,480
beating on the police with a stick and

2301
01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:41,720
she was arrested so Holmes goes women

2302
01:46:45,790 --> 01:46:43,400
this is this is pretty weird because

2303
01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:45,800
Dean shoots a statement when he found

2304
01:46:49,870 --> 01:46:47,390
the body he said he didn't want to say

2305
01:46:51,670 --> 01:46:49,880
anything when he came into the house

2306
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:51,680
because he was worried his wife had a

2307
01:46:55,330 --> 01:46:53,930
very delicate Constitution and she was

2308
01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:55,340
the type of woman that would be very

2309
01:47:00,250 --> 01:46:58,250
easily traumatized by the finding of a

2310
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:00,260
drunk or dead woman outside the club

2311
01:47:04,900 --> 01:47:03,290
drunk even and here's this Helion that

2312
01:47:07,060 --> 01:47:04,910
comes out and starts beating the police

2313
01:47:09,490 --> 01:47:07,070
when they arrest her husband for beating

2314
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:09,500
up a policeman so he says that this is

2315
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:11,450
not consistent and then he starts

2316
01:47:15,490 --> 01:47:12,410
looking at deme [\h__\h]

2317
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:15,500
statements which I did and we see that

2318
01:47:19,630 --> 01:47:17,150
Dean chefs had two pieces of what are

2319
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:19,640
called guilty knowledge you know in the

2320
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:21,440
investigative field we have this term we

2321
01:47:26,050 --> 01:47:23,810
call guilty knowledge meaning a person

2322
01:47:27,730 --> 01:47:26,060
having knowledge that they couldn't

2323
01:47:29,710 --> 01:47:27,740
possibly have unless they were involved

2324
01:47:31,630 --> 01:47:29,720
or knew someone who directly involved in

2325
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:31,640
the crime because certain details of the

2326
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:33,130
crime were held back by police

2327
01:47:39,010 --> 01:47:35,930
so Dean Schatz had two pieces of guilty

2328
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:39,020
knowledge and cosa Brodsky had a piece

2329
01:47:42,850 --> 01:47:40,490
of guilty knowledge he couldn't possibly

2330
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:42,860
have had without involvement or knowing

2331
01:47:47,890 --> 01:47:45,410
someone who was involved and when Holmes

2332
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:47,900
suss is exactly what I finally figured

2333
01:47:51,340 --> 01:47:49,310
out after I read his statements a

2334
01:47:54,670 --> 01:47:51,350
thousand times over and not seen it

2335
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:54,680
right Holmes goes aha and figures it out

2336
01:47:59,050 --> 01:47:57,890
and then the the evidence starts falling

2337
01:48:01,660 --> 01:47:59,060
from the trees because it's low-hanging

2338
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:01,670
fruit you know when you start looking at

2339
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:03,290
these guys who nobody ever really

2340
01:48:06,970 --> 01:48:05,150
seriously looked at especially Friedman

2341
01:48:09,310 --> 01:48:06,980
in close Brodsky and you find Friedman

2342
01:48:10,660 --> 01:48:09,320
has a rape conviction you start looking

2343
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,670
at these guys you start the evidence

2344
01:48:13,900 --> 01:48:12,320
just starts falling into your lap and

2345
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,910
you look like a good detective at least

2346
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:15,920
to some people but actually it's

2347
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:17,510
low-hanging fruit it's there for the

2348
01:48:22,290 --> 01:48:19,310
picking because no one's ever looked at

2349
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:22,300
it before we're the Metropolitan Police

2350
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,080
just bumbling idiots no no no but they

2351
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:32,960
didn't have the luxury of 150 years of

2352
01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:35,690
forensic science in case history to go

2353
01:48:39,790 --> 01:48:37,490
by all right I mean this is the first

2354
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:39,800
guy that ever inserted himself into an

2355
01:48:45,460 --> 01:48:42,320
investigation I mean many many have done

2356
01:48:47,950 --> 01:48:45,470
it since I mean look at like you know

2357
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:47,960
Wayne Williams yeah Atlanta child

2358
01:48:52,020 --> 01:48:50,170
murderer right you know how he he

2359
01:48:55,390 --> 01:48:52,030
inserted himself into the investigation

2360
01:49:01,120 --> 01:48:55,400
or if you look at you know Edmund Kemper

2361
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:01,130
Ted Bundy you know quite a number of

2362
01:49:04,750 --> 01:49:03,170
these guys we're either either in

2363
01:49:07,660 --> 01:49:04,760
inserted themselves into the

2364
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:07,670
investigation or they somehow were

2365
01:49:12,250 --> 01:49:09,410
spoken to early in the case and

2366
01:49:12,910 --> 01:49:12,260
discounted like Gary Ridgway the Green

2367
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:12,920
River Killer

2368
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:14,930
you know BTK inserted himself in the

2369
01:49:19,300 --> 01:49:17,210
investigation following Gacy right right

2370
01:49:21,130 --> 01:49:19,310
you know well the Ripper was the first

2371
01:49:23,620 --> 01:49:21,140
guy to do it so of course the cops had

2372
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,630
no case history to go by that anyone

2373
01:49:26,350 --> 01:49:25,760
would be audacious enough to insert

2374
01:49:28,570 --> 01:49:26,360
themselves into

2375
01:49:30,729 --> 01:49:28,580
investigation by finding a body but of

2376
01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:30,739
course many many many have done it since

2377
01:49:35,620 --> 01:49:33,409
he may have been the first ever do it so

2378
01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:35,630
they weren't bumbling idiots they just

2379
01:49:40,209 --> 01:49:37,190
didn't have the luxury that we have

2380
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:40,219
today of being able to look at hundreds

2381
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:42,080
if not thousands of murder cases and

2382
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:44,960
drawing these parallels between the

2383
01:49:48,700 --> 01:49:46,639
different killings and and how the

2384
01:49:51,129 --> 01:49:48,710
murderers behaved what they did before

2385
01:49:53,530 --> 01:49:51,139
during and after the crimes we have all

2386
01:49:56,290 --> 01:49:53,540
this data now you know that that we can

2387
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:56,300
go by that they didn't have now what

2388
01:50:00,729 --> 01:49:59,360
about I want to stay on all of this but

2389
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:00,739
there's a couple of other things I

2390
01:50:06,010 --> 01:50:03,290
wanted to ask you about one of them of

2391
01:50:09,399 --> 01:50:06,020
was you know Holmes the serial killer

2392
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:09,409
here in the states that that he was Jack

2393
01:50:15,550 --> 01:50:11,119
the Ripper how did you take how did

2394
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:15,560
Sherlock take Holmes off the list well

2395
01:50:20,649 --> 01:50:17,630
first of all he wasn't a factor at that

2396
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:20,659
time even you know thought about but you

2397
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:22,850
know I'm not here to shoot down anybody

2398
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,770
you know anybody's theory I'm not here

2399
01:50:29,020 --> 01:50:26,719
to you know to make anyone else look bad

2400
01:50:30,939 --> 01:50:29,030
or try to try to discount anyone else's

2401
01:50:33,490 --> 01:50:30,949
theory I can tell you this the evidence

2402
01:50:36,129 --> 01:50:33,500
takes us to Lewes steamships and company

2403
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,139
does not take us to Holmes I mean it

2404
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,560
look I don't want to single out any one

2405
01:50:43,060 --> 01:50:40,639
person suspect but let's look at it this

2406
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:43,070
way if we look at eyewitness statements

2407
01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:46,850
about the Ripper he was absolutely at

2408
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:49,100
least two Jewish men because Israel

2409
01:50:53,379 --> 01:50:51,020
Schwartz stumbled upon the murder taking

2410
01:50:56,350 --> 01:50:53,389
place of list right in front of the IWM

2411
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:56,360
EC he said they were Jewish he was

2412
01:51:02,260 --> 01:51:00,080
Jewish he was a Hungarian Jew you know

2413
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:02,270
you know you could you might think that

2414
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:05,600
a Gentile could mistake a Jew with

2415
01:51:10,780 --> 01:51:08,360
someone else but when you talk about a

2416
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:10,790
Jewish man stumbling upon the crime and

2417
01:51:15,790 --> 01:51:14,570
saying they were too Jewish guys that

2418
01:51:19,090 --> 01:51:15,800
lends a lot of credibility to a

2419
01:51:22,330 --> 01:51:19,100
statement that automatically discounts

2420
01:51:26,050 --> 01:51:22,340
anybody who's being pointed at as a

2421
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:26,060
suspect who is not Jewish it it

2422
01:51:31,930 --> 01:51:28,880
automatically knocks half the players

2423
01:51:33,010 --> 01:51:31,940
out of the game because unless you what

2424
01:51:35,470 --> 01:51:33,020
happens in a lot of times with the

2425
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:35,480
evidence kalila the Ripper theorists

2426
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:38,090
have to ignore certain bits of evidence

2427
01:51:42,850 --> 01:51:40,130
because it doesn't fit their theory

2428
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:42,860
so they'll say well no another attack

2429
01:51:45,609 --> 01:51:44,090
took place in front of the club 10

2430
01:51:47,319 --> 01:51:45,619
minutes before the real killing right

2431
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,329
and that was the Jews that we're doing

2432
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:48,800
that and and then this was a different

2433
01:51:54,609 --> 01:51:52,190
thing you know or or they'll they'll be

2434
01:51:57,250 --> 01:51:54,619
forced to discount bits of of eyewitness

2435
01:51:58,839 --> 01:51:57,260
testimony or factoids because it doesn't

2436
01:52:01,359 --> 01:51:58,849
fit their theory of the crime so we're

2437
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:01,369
going to say well that's irrelevant but

2438
01:52:05,050 --> 01:52:03,110
in my case I use all the evidence and

2439
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:05,060
you know why it fits because why because

2440
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:07,610
they did it because they absolutely did

2441
01:52:11,979 --> 01:52:09,860
it and so I don't want to sit here and

2442
01:52:14,260 --> 01:52:11,989
say or this guy you know this guy's

2443
01:52:16,330 --> 01:52:14,270
wrong or that guys that's up to them to

2444
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:16,340
present their cases and convinced the

2445
01:52:23,020 --> 01:52:19,280
world that they're right but I will say

2446
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:23,030
that you'd have to ask was Holmes in

2447
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:25,040
even in London is there definitive

2448
01:52:29,740 --> 01:52:27,530
evidence that ties him to London could

2449
01:52:31,780 --> 01:52:29,750
he possibly be mistaken as an American

2450
01:52:35,050 --> 01:52:31,790
for a Jew did he have an accomplice that

2451
01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:35,060
was Jewish do we have evidence of that I

2452
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,400
mean my guys are tied directly with the

2453
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:39,920
body and directly with three crime

2454
01:52:44,859 --> 01:52:43,040
scenes but by the their subsequent

2455
01:52:47,890 --> 01:52:44,869
violent crime they're tied to mitre

2456
01:52:50,589 --> 01:52:47,900
square the club and the Goosen Street

2457
01:52:53,919 --> 01:52:50,599
casino but by that their subsequent

2458
01:52:55,540 --> 01:52:53,929
violent crime six months later so I mean

2459
01:52:57,550 --> 01:52:55,550
have to if you're going to present your

2460
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,560
case I mean this guy can present his

2461
01:53:02,470 --> 01:52:59,360
case these guys can present the cases

2462
01:53:03,850 --> 01:53:02,480
you have to have some evidence and you

2463
01:53:05,470 --> 01:53:03,860
know I don't know if they have you know

2464
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:05,480
I'm not here to discount anyone else's

2465
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:09,040
case I'm just making my case what about

2466
01:53:16,450 --> 01:53:12,650
the possibility of the royal family in

2467
01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:16,460
Buckingham Palace no evidence

2468
01:53:22,899 --> 01:53:19,150
people used to say the Duke of Clarence

2469
01:53:25,810 --> 01:53:22,909
Prince Albert Victor was was the Ripper

2470
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:25,820
and where that came from was the fact

2471
01:53:32,649 --> 01:53:30,320
that he was homosexual and he was busted

2472
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:32,659
in this what was called the Clarence I

2473
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:33,860
think was not to collect you the

2474
01:53:39,550 --> 01:53:35,810
Cleveland Street scandal which was a

2475
01:53:41,890 --> 01:53:39,560
homosexual brothel and he was you know

2476
01:53:43,899 --> 01:53:41,900
there when they busted it and it was

2477
01:53:46,270 --> 01:53:43,909
covered up as best it could be covered

2478
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:46,280
but it came out eventually and people

2479
01:53:52,270 --> 01:53:49,610
didn't understand back then you know

2480
01:53:53,379 --> 01:53:52,280
homosexuality they looked at it and well

2481
01:53:55,959 --> 01:53:53,389
you know and I'll tell you

2482
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:55,969
so they thought well he's a pervert he's

2483
01:54:00,970 --> 01:53:58,130
you know he's a deviant or whatever they

2484
01:54:03,090 --> 01:54:00,980
would have thought back then and what we

2485
01:54:05,950 --> 01:54:03,100
do know is that gay men don't kill women

2486
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:05,960
gay men kill men John Wayne Gacy Jeffrey

2487
01:54:10,270 --> 01:54:06,320
Dahmer

2488
01:54:12,970 --> 01:54:10,280
um they besides that it's been proven

2489
01:54:14,649 --> 01:54:12,980
over over over time and time again that

2490
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,659
Prince Edward Albert was out of the

2491
01:54:19,540 --> 01:54:16,880
country during some of the murders but

2492
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:19,550
it's this pervasive rumor that just just

2493
01:54:22,990 --> 01:54:20,690
won't go away

2494
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:23,000
but oddly there is a royal connection

2495
01:54:27,970 --> 01:54:25,489
because core Potkin that I described to

2496
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:27,980
you earlier Prince Peter Kropotkin was a

2497
01:54:32,379 --> 01:54:30,320
member of the Russian aristocracy he was

2498
01:54:35,290 --> 01:54:32,389
a royal he was a print in Russia though

2499
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:35,300
and what about eliminating surgeons and

2500
01:54:42,459 --> 01:54:39,730
doctors and was there ever a suspect

2501
01:54:44,410 --> 01:54:42,469
well yeah they've had ostrog that was a

2502
01:54:46,090 --> 01:54:44,420
doctor they had this quack doctor called

2503
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:46,100
Tumblety who was also gay by the way

2504
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:47,119
mm-hmm

2505
01:54:50,410 --> 01:54:48,590
and I'm not only mentioning that not to

2506
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:50,420
disparage you know I'm mentioning it

2507
01:54:55,419 --> 01:54:53,330
because we know that gay men don't

2508
01:54:58,649 --> 01:54:55,429
serial murder women they just don't

2509
01:55:03,100 --> 01:54:58,659
there's no historical background to that

2510
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:03,110
there were there were probably a dozen

2511
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:04,790
other people you know John Williams was

2512
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:07,040
a surgeon was a was a doctor that worked

2513
01:55:10,660 --> 01:55:08,480
at the Whitechapel clinic and he's to

2514
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:10,670
help out the women with sexually

2515
01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:12,409
transmitted diseases and things and he

2516
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:14,230
became a suspect later on in the game

2517
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:16,310
because he was a doctor and because he

2518
01:55:20,290 --> 01:55:18,770
knew a lot of the victims because of the

2519
01:55:22,419 --> 01:55:20,300
nature of his work in Whitechapel which

2520
01:55:23,919 --> 01:55:22,429
is a small area and he's treating the

2521
01:55:25,390 --> 01:55:23,929
prostitutes for sexually transmitted

2522
01:55:28,930 --> 01:55:25,400
diseases so naturally he's going to come

2523
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:28,940
into contact you know but I merrily

2524
01:55:35,770 --> 01:55:31,850
discounted him as a suspect after we

2525
01:55:36,850 --> 01:55:35,780
looked at him hard but my doctors are of

2526
01:55:38,620 --> 01:55:36,860
the opinion and it doesn't take any

2527
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:38,630
surgical skill to do what the Ripper did

2528
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:41,119
just takes practice now we're gonna head

2529
01:55:44,919 --> 01:55:43,040
towards a break here

2530
01:55:53,229 --> 01:55:44,929
I wanted to ask you really quick did

2531
01:55:56,979 --> 01:55:53,239
they ever find a murder weapon no well

2532
01:55:58,090 --> 01:55:56,989
yes no here's what happened Daniel

2533
01:56:00,520 --> 01:55:58,100
Friedman who I mentioned the guy with

2534
01:56:04,270 --> 01:56:00,530
the rape conviction right he lived in

2535
01:56:06,220 --> 01:56:04,280
Weaver Street and if you drew a beeline

2536
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:06,230
from mitre square for the second double

2537
01:56:10,570 --> 01:56:07,520
event Richard

2538
01:56:13,540 --> 01:56:10,580
to Weaver Street just around the corner

2539
01:56:17,590 --> 01:56:13,550
from his house in a police constable

2540
01:56:19,660 --> 01:56:17,600
Drage found a knife a bloody knife

2541
01:56:22,090 --> 01:56:19,670
wrapped in a cloth but it didn't look

2542
01:56:23,979 --> 01:56:22,100
like the type of knife that they thought

2543
01:56:26,290 --> 01:56:23,989
would have committed the murder in my

2544
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:26,300
opinion it could have been what they

2545
01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:30,560
call a shell s knife which is the Jewish

2546
01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:32,750
ritual killing knife because it looks

2547
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:34,310
kind of like a sharp butter knife

2548
01:56:39,790 --> 01:56:37,010
you know rounded tip mm-hmm now the P

2549
01:56:42,610 --> 01:56:39,800
seed rage found a bloody knife wrapped

2550
01:56:45,010 --> 01:56:42,620
in cloth just around the corner from

2551
01:56:47,110 --> 01:56:45,020
Samuel Friedman's house I believe that

2552
01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:47,120
after the double event he took his knife

2553
01:56:51,970 --> 01:56:49,880
and he ran with it and it was either

2554
01:56:55,090 --> 01:56:51,980
used as a decoy to make it look like the

2555
01:56:57,310 --> 01:56:55,100
Ripper ran away from the club or it was

2556
01:56:58,450 --> 01:56:57,320
actually just you know purposely dumped

2557
01:57:00,879 --> 01:56:58,460
because he didn't want to have it in his

2558
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:00,889
hand but in any case there was such a

2559
01:57:05,740 --> 01:57:05,090
knife found by PC Drage so was it the

2560
01:57:08,590 --> 01:57:05,750
knife

2561
01:57:11,530 --> 01:57:08,600
we don't know I'd love to have my hands

2562
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:11,540
on that knife for DNA purposes but the

2563
01:57:16,030 --> 01:57:13,310
knife that's described as having been

2564
01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:16,040
found by Drage fits the description of

2565
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:18,190
the shell F that the Jewish ritual

2566
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,570
kosher slaughter knife let's take a

2567
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2568
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this Halloween evening author Randy

2569
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Williams were discussing his new book

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Sherlock Holmes and the autumn of terror

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2668
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:19,800
more fascinating aspects of the case and

2669
02:02:25,820 --> 02:02:23,250
that is the letters not all of them but

2670
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:25,830
the the famous letters the boss letter

2671
02:02:32,540 --> 02:02:29,370
saucy Jacky and of course the from Hell

2672
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:32,550
letter which we've all seen just

2673
02:02:39,410 --> 02:02:36,570
absolutely blood-curdling man that you

2674
02:02:41,300 --> 02:02:39,420
know it's just it's just crazy yeah so

2675
02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:41,310
let's see yeah let's start with some of

2676
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:44,820
that Oh somebody just do sky just popped

2677
02:02:50,090 --> 02:02:46,770
up in Twitter and said what about Sir

2678
02:02:58,400 --> 02:02:50,100
Arthur Conan Doyle Doyle being Jack the

2679
02:02:59,390 --> 02:02:58,410
Ripper uh ninja please you gotta love it

2680
02:03:01,640 --> 02:02:59,400
though you gotta love it

2681
02:03:04,190 --> 02:03:01,650
you never know especially with our

2682
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:04,200
audience but a great question let's talk

2683
02:03:11,420 --> 02:03:06,480
about these letters let's start with the

2684
02:03:13,730 --> 02:03:11,430
dear boss letter sure okay the dear boss

2685
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:13,740
letter it's debatable whether or not

2686
02:03:19,550 --> 02:03:16,080
that was now personally I believe it was

2687
02:03:21,470 --> 02:03:19,560
real I think that you know there have

2688
02:03:23,390 --> 02:03:21,480
been a number of newsmen that have taken

2689
02:03:25,190 --> 02:03:23,400
credit for that if you want to call it

2690
02:03:27,770 --> 02:03:25,200
credit and say they did it you know to

2691
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:27,780
get to bring up their their news quotas

2692
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:30,570
I don't know that anybody would have

2693
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:33,570
been that creative at that time to do

2694
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:34,650
such a thing because the Ripper was

2695
02:03:38,270 --> 02:03:36,090
really the first guy to write the

2696
02:03:39,860 --> 02:03:38,280
letters and taunt the police and there

2697
02:03:41,660 --> 02:03:39,870
are some there's some collateral

2698
02:03:43,130 --> 02:03:41,670
evidence that leads me back to the dear

2699
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:43,140
boss letter there are subsequent letters

2700
02:03:48,860 --> 02:03:45,930
that are linked from the from Hell

2701
02:03:52,070 --> 02:03:48,870
letter that make me believe the dear

2702
02:03:54,350 --> 02:03:52,080
boss letter was was the real but let me

2703
02:03:56,030 --> 02:03:54,360
let me try to work work the logic

2704
02:03:57,710 --> 02:03:56,040
backwards from the from the from Hell

2705
02:03:58,700 --> 02:03:57,720
letter before I'll get back to the dear

2706
02:04:00,230 --> 02:03:58,710
boss I'm not trying to avoid the

2707
02:04:02,630 --> 02:04:00,240
question but I need to lay some

2708
02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:02,640
groundwork in order to make my point and

2709
02:04:07,790 --> 02:04:04,860
that is you know people are aware that

2710
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:07,800
there was a letter sent to a man called

2711
02:04:11,010 --> 02:04:09,210
George Lusk who was the head of the

2712
02:04:14,290 --> 02:04:11,020
Whitechapel vigilance committee

2713
02:04:15,490 --> 02:04:14,300
and now some people don't believe that

2714
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:15,500
was real even though it came with a

2715
02:04:20,770 --> 02:04:17,570
piece of the woman's kidney which was

2716
02:04:23,740 --> 02:04:20,780
preserved in wine and had the the same

2717
02:04:25,330 --> 02:04:23,750
piece of renal artery the same amount of

2718
02:04:27,220 --> 02:04:25,340
renal artery that was missing from the

2719
02:04:29,890 --> 02:04:27,230
body had the same Bright's disease that

2720
02:04:32,500 --> 02:04:29,900
the body had I don't believe any

2721
02:04:34,479 --> 02:04:32,510
newspaperman would be sort of

2722
02:04:36,850 --> 02:04:34,489
enterprising enough to come up with a

2723
02:04:38,260 --> 02:04:36,860
kidney that matched and send it not to

2724
02:04:40,090 --> 02:04:38,270
the police not to their own newspaper

2725
02:04:41,740 --> 02:04:40,100
but to the head of the Whitechapel

2726
02:04:44,770 --> 02:04:41,750
vigilance committee it was relatively

2727
02:04:47,020 --> 02:04:44,780
unknown for time right until he received

2728
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:47,030
this box right right it was very hated

2729
02:04:50,890 --> 02:04:49,010
by the Jews in Whitechapel though so if

2730
02:04:52,900 --> 02:04:50,900
you're low esteem shoots the president

2731
02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:52,910
of this club and you're seeing members

2732
02:04:56,620 --> 02:04:54,800
of your club coming in beaten to a

2733
02:04:58,930 --> 02:04:56,630
bloody pulp by this vigilance committee

2734
02:05:01,750 --> 02:04:58,940
quote-unquote you're you you're mad at

2735
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:01,760
this guy you want to terrorize him so I

2736
02:05:05,860 --> 02:05:03,530
think they targeted him because they

2737
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:05,870
knew him and they hated him because only

2738
02:05:09,459 --> 02:05:07,730
a Jew from Whitechapel would know who he

2739
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:09,469
was and hate him enough to terrorize him

2740
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:11,810
was such a thing now if you look at this

2741
02:05:16,330 --> 02:05:14,330
at the the Lusk letter and the kidney

2742
02:05:17,890 --> 02:05:16,340
that it came with from Hell letter which

2743
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:17,900
by the way I believe was inspired by

2744
02:05:21,970 --> 02:05:19,850
Moby Dick from hell's heart I stab at

2745
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:21,980
thee the last line a hab says before he

2746
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:23,330
dies right

2747
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,000
I believe that deem shit's got that idea

2748
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:27,920
from Moby Dick which was a socialist

2749
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:31,010
novel about oppressed socialists working

2750
02:05:36,700 --> 02:05:34,400
in slave-like conditions whaling you

2751
02:05:39,370 --> 02:05:36,710
know in in Captain Ahab which was a

2752
02:05:43,209 --> 02:05:39,380
famous Jewish king who was brought down

2753
02:05:44,650 --> 02:05:43,219
by Jezebel and Ahab was named after him

2754
02:05:47,020 --> 02:05:44,660
anyway I don't wanna get into that

2755
02:05:49,930 --> 02:05:47,030
unless you want me to but the the Lusk

2756
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:49,940
letter then if that was fake why would

2757
02:05:54,010 --> 02:05:51,770
they send it to George Lusk if a

2758
02:05:55,930 --> 02:05:54,020
newspaper man did that why would he send

2759
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:55,940
it to George Lusk why would he choose

2760
02:05:58,660 --> 02:05:57,440
somebody nobody knew who they were

2761
02:06:00,430 --> 02:05:58,670
why wouldn't he send it to his own

2762
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:00,440
newspaper 7:2 himself

2763
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:03,440
yeah yeah right but it was sent to

2764
02:06:07,900 --> 02:06:05,570
George Lusk who was this guy that the

2765
02:06:09,310 --> 02:06:07,910
IWM EC members hated with a purple

2766
02:06:12,250 --> 02:06:09,320
passion because he was going around with

2767
02:06:14,860 --> 02:06:12,260
this group of guys beaten the daylights

2768
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:14,870
out of innocent Jews in the name of

2769
02:06:19,150 --> 02:06:17,210
catching Jack the Ripper so I believe

2770
02:06:22,660 --> 02:06:19,160
they hated him and they wanted to

2771
02:06:24,820 --> 02:06:22,670
terrorize him so that that letter came

2772
02:06:27,310 --> 02:06:24,830
with this cardboard box which

2773
02:06:29,950 --> 02:06:27,320
a piece of kidney in it now I believe

2774
02:06:31,390 --> 02:06:29,960
that's absolutely authentic now there

2775
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:31,400
are people that'll even say that's fake

2776
02:06:36,940 --> 02:06:34,010
but I don't believe it was fake now if

2777
02:06:39,580 --> 02:06:36,950
you buy that that that letter is real

2778
02:06:41,530 --> 02:06:39,590
then you have to believe that the

2779
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:41,540
Openshaw letter was real that would been

2780
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:43,850
a letter sent to dr. Openshaw the one

2781
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:45,560
who did the examination on the kidney

2782
02:06:49,540 --> 02:06:47,090
and claimed it was the kidney of

2783
02:06:51,820 --> 02:06:49,550
Catherine Eddowes Thomas Hughes letter

2784
02:06:55,780 --> 02:06:51,830
that was right at our jaw

2785
02:06:58,660 --> 02:06:55,790
yeah Thomas Openshaw all right now

2786
02:07:00,100 --> 02:06:58,670
Openshaw received this letter and it was

2787
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:00,110
written in the same style as the from

2788
02:07:06,460 --> 02:07:03,890
hell and it was written in my opinion by

2789
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:06,470
the same hand and it was written in the

2790
02:07:14,230 --> 02:07:10,130
same sort of quasi fake Irishman you

2791
02:07:16,540 --> 02:07:14,240
know like tugger piece and sore he was

2792
02:07:19,300 --> 02:07:16,550
trying to write an Irish accent into the

2793
02:07:21,070 --> 02:07:19,310
letter so basically that tells us that

2794
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,080
he was anything but an illiterate

2795
02:07:24,940 --> 02:07:23,360
Irishman the person who wrote the from

2796
02:07:27,490 --> 02:07:24,950
Hell letter is trying to look like in a

2797
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:27,500
letter at Irishmen that tells me that he

2798
02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:29,210
was the exact opposite of an illiterate

2799
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,350
Irishman in any case if you believe this

2800
02:07:36,970 --> 02:07:35,360
from Hell letter is real then you have

2801
02:07:38,890 --> 02:07:36,980
to believe the Openshaw letter is real

2802
02:07:40,810 --> 02:07:38,900
now if you look at the envelope of the

2803
02:07:42,490 --> 02:07:40,820
Openshaw letter it has the same

2804
02:07:44,740 --> 02:07:42,500
handwriting as the dear boss letter

2805
02:07:46,660 --> 02:07:44,750
which doesn't match the writing of the

2806
02:07:49,510 --> 02:07:46,670
from Hell of the Openshaw that tells you

2807
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:49,520
that two different guys probably did it

2808
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:51,530
or one guy who has one kind of

2809
02:07:55,570 --> 02:07:53,450
handwriting but this guy's is it in

2810
02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:55,580
another way right in the open shot

2811
02:07:58,000 --> 02:07:57,170
letter he can't spell hospital he spells

2812
02:08:00,250 --> 02:07:58,010
it Ospital

2813
02:08:03,070 --> 02:08:00,260
but yet on the envelope it's it's very

2814
02:08:06,550 --> 02:08:03,080
well written very literate to the

2815
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:06,560
curator of forensic sciences at you know

2816
02:08:10,450 --> 02:08:07,970
the hospital and it's spelled correctly

2817
02:08:12,460 --> 02:08:10,460
on the envelope but the letter is all

2818
02:08:14,920 --> 02:08:12,470
it's like the from hell illiterate

2819
02:08:17,530 --> 02:08:14,930
Irishman then there was this letter sent

2820
02:08:20,290 --> 02:08:17,540
to McCarthy who was the owner of the

2821
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:20,300
home the house where Mary Kelly was

2822
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:22,490
murdered and it was basically a house

2823
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:24,290
that was full of prostitutes

2824
02:08:27,610 --> 02:08:26,090
you know it's called McCarthy's rents

2825
02:08:30,330 --> 02:08:27,620
and the joke was the girls were the

2826
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:30,340
McCarthy's rents not the rooms and

2827
02:08:35,050 --> 02:08:32,570
McCarthy received this terrorizing

2828
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:35,060
letter which you know I did a an

2829
02:08:38,330 --> 02:08:37,370
analysis on it on cotton on YouTube I'd

2830
02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:38,340
like your

2831
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:39,810
viewers to look at your listeners to

2832
02:08:45,649 --> 02:08:43,770
look at and it basically it encodes the

2833
02:08:47,060 --> 02:08:45,659
names of all my suspects right in this

2834
02:08:49,070 --> 02:08:47,070
little sketch that's at the bottom of

2835
02:08:51,169 --> 02:08:49,080
the letter but that letter matches the

2836
02:08:53,570 --> 02:08:51,179
Openshaw letter and matches the dear

2837
02:08:55,879 --> 02:08:53,580
boss so basically it's kind of a chain

2838
02:08:58,339 --> 02:08:55,889
if you believe that the from Hell letter

2839
02:09:00,290 --> 02:08:58,349
is real then you have to believe the

2840
02:09:03,229 --> 02:09:00,300
Openshaw letter is real that leads you

2841
02:09:04,820 --> 02:09:03,239
to the McCarthy letter being real which

2842
02:09:06,770 --> 02:09:04,830
has the encoded names of low esteem

2843
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,780
chips icicles brats key prints

2844
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:08,880
carpathian and sama Friedman in it in

2845
02:09:12,589 --> 02:09:10,650
this little sketch of these guys

2846
02:09:15,709 --> 02:09:12,599
murdering a girl and one guy standing

2847
02:09:17,689 --> 02:09:15,719
guard and then that leads you back to

2848
02:09:19,490 --> 02:09:17,699
the dear boss because on the Openshaw

2849
02:09:22,250 --> 02:09:19,500
letter the envelope matches the dear

2850
02:09:24,500 --> 02:09:22,260
boss handwriting so I think you've got

2851
02:09:28,339 --> 02:09:24,510
three guys writing me letters and then

2852
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:28,349
you have a couple of pieces of forensic

2853
02:09:31,820 --> 02:09:30,330
evidence that come into play here that

2854
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:31,830
you have to look at in the dear boss

2855
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:35,610
letter they're talking about an ear

2856
02:09:41,810 --> 02:09:39,810
being cut off right and an assassin

2857
02:09:44,030 --> 02:09:41,820
Jackie and and well we're gonna get to

2858
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:44,040
that in a second that that that still

2859
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:48,750
trips me out that postcard but but ed

2860
02:09:53,810 --> 02:09:50,730
knows three days later that that

2861
02:09:56,750 --> 02:09:53,820
actually happened so that to me just

2862
02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:56,760
says that the dear boss letter was

2863
02:10:02,030 --> 02:09:59,010
authentic even if the handwriting does

2864
02:10:02,930 --> 02:10:02,040
absolutely absolutely and it's different

2865
02:10:04,250 --> 02:10:02,940
guys because there's three different

2866
02:10:06,109 --> 02:10:04,260
perpetration right so here's what

2867
02:10:08,270 --> 02:10:06,119
happened Dean should said listen we have

2868
02:10:10,430 --> 02:10:08,280
to set up an alibi for me that's

2869
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:10,440
airtight but we need propaganda for the

2870
02:10:16,070 --> 02:10:12,840
club so we're gonna murder this girl in

2871
02:10:17,540 --> 02:10:16,080
front of our club then you two guys are

2872
02:10:19,220 --> 02:10:17,550
going to go back inside the club and

2873
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:19,230
wait and I'm gonna run off around the

2874
02:10:22,850 --> 02:10:20,730
corner where my horse and buggies parked

2875
02:10:24,919 --> 02:10:22,860
and pretend to come home and find her

2876
02:10:26,870 --> 02:10:24,929
I'm gonna go inside make a bunch of

2877
02:10:29,089 --> 02:10:26,880
noise you guys are going to come out

2878
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:29,099
with the other Club members pretend to

2879
02:10:33,439 --> 02:10:31,050
find the body with me and then I'm going

2880
02:10:35,540 --> 02:10:33,449
to send everybody running to look for a

2881
02:10:37,070 --> 02:10:35,550
policeman ostensibly I'm going to send

2882
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:37,080
you guys towards mitre square where

2883
02:10:40,879 --> 02:10:38,130
you're going to commit another murder

2884
02:10:42,919 --> 02:10:40,889
while I'm sitting with the police and

2885
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:42,929
absolutely can't be guilty of the second

2886
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:44,610
murder and the police are absolutely

2887
02:10:48,410 --> 02:10:46,530
going to know that it's the second

2888
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:48,420
murder tied to this one because we

2889
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:49,920
promised them in the sausage Jackie

2890
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:51,690
postcard that we were going to clip off

2891
02:10:54,290 --> 02:10:52,320
the woman's ear

2892
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:54,300
which you guys have to be sure to do in

2893
02:10:59,510 --> 02:10:57,450
mitre square in which they did do so you

2894
02:11:01,450 --> 02:10:59,520
see it's all tied together and it helped

2895
02:11:04,130 --> 02:11:01,460
theme should set up this ironclad alibi

2896
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:04,140
which is what stymied investigators

2897
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,970
throughout the years and it's always

2898
02:11:13,190 --> 02:11:07,920
stop people from considering deem shirts

2899
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:13,200
as a suspect and then the site has it

2900
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:17,010
ever been recovered saucy Jacky oh yeah

2901
02:11:22,640 --> 02:11:19,440
yeah yeah they have that one there are

2902
02:11:25,450 --> 02:11:22,650
certain bits certain letters that

2903
02:11:27,770 --> 02:11:25,460
disappeared through the years because

2904
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:27,780
they say certain policemen maybe took

2905
02:11:32,930 --> 02:11:30,210
them home as souvenirs right or people

2906
02:11:34,850 --> 02:11:32,940
stole them but there is at least

2907
02:11:36,590 --> 02:11:34,860
photographic evidence of all the

2908
02:11:39,020 --> 02:11:36,600
pertinent letters as I'm sure you've

2909
02:11:41,480 --> 02:11:39,030
seen yes I have letters you can actually

2910
02:11:43,250 --> 02:11:41,490
see you can see them on display every

2911
02:11:46,990 --> 02:11:43,260
now and then the Docklands Museum in

2912
02:11:49,070 --> 02:11:47,000
London does a Jack the Ripper sort of

2913
02:11:52,100 --> 02:11:49,080
exhibition and they'll have these

2914
02:11:54,710 --> 02:11:52,110
letters on display for you to look at no

2915
02:11:56,950 --> 02:11:54,720
fingerprints or anything on any of these

2916
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:56,960
letters right

2917
02:12:02,480 --> 02:11:59,760
no they I think they've all been

2918
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:02,490
attempted to be fingerprinted and in the

2919
02:12:08,060 --> 02:12:05,040
name of preserving the evidence probably

2920
02:12:09,860 --> 02:12:08,070
not a lot of not every single one of

2921
02:12:11,540 --> 02:12:09,870
them has probably been completely

2922
02:12:14,210 --> 02:12:11,550
analyzed as much as it possibly could

2923
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:14,220
have but possibly in the future someone

2924
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:15,690
like Henry Seeley the world's leading

2925
02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:18,960
DNA scientist could use touch DNA or

2926
02:12:22,970 --> 02:12:21,300
could could find some new method of

2927
02:12:25,580 --> 02:12:22,980
analyzing these letters and getting the

2928
02:12:28,220 --> 02:12:25,590
DNA yeah and now let's talk about Oh

2929
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:28,230
back to saucy Jacky the reason I've

2930
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:30,450
always been intrigued because of the

2931
02:12:34,460 --> 02:12:32,850
name right saucy Jacky the from Hell

2932
02:12:35,930 --> 02:12:34,470
letter you know it doesn't get better

2933
02:12:38,330 --> 02:12:35,940
than that when we're talking about Jack

2934
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:38,340
the Ripper in the case of the saucy

2935
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:42,210
Jacky postcard I and maybe I'm wrong

2936
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:44,010
here well I guess I am because you said

2937
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:47,130
it is now surfaced I thought it was who

2938
02:12:52,130 --> 02:12:50,370
was gone we only had pictures of it you

2939
02:12:55,190 --> 02:12:52,140
know that might be true that might be I

2940
02:12:56,930 --> 02:12:55,200
don't want to say for sure oh I am of

2941
02:12:58,400 --> 02:12:56,940
the opinion that they have it but I

2942
02:12:58,850 --> 02:12:58,410
could be wrong I could be wrong about

2943
02:13:00,620 --> 02:12:58,860
that

2944
02:13:02,570 --> 02:13:00,630
I was okay I was wondering because I

2945
02:13:04,250 --> 02:13:02,580
know that certain ones I know that

2946
02:13:06,049 --> 02:13:04,260
certain ones have disappeared but the

2947
02:13:08,659 --> 02:13:06,059
quality of this photography

2948
02:13:10,969 --> 02:13:08,669
of the postcard makes me believe they

2949
02:13:12,379 --> 02:13:10,979
still have it and I think I've seen it

2950
02:13:14,839 --> 02:13:12,389
but I could be Ryan could have seen in

2951
02:13:17,149 --> 02:13:14,849
facts Emily but the the the quality of

2952
02:13:19,099 --> 02:13:17,159
the photography on it tells me that it

2953
02:13:21,859 --> 02:13:19,109
east into modern times I mean there's

2954
02:13:23,689 --> 02:13:21,869
color photographs of it so you know at

2955
02:13:26,659 --> 02:13:23,699
least into modern times it was held by

2956
02:13:27,229 --> 02:13:26,669
the police um but you know the from Hell

2957
02:13:30,319 --> 02:13:27,239
letter

2958
02:13:37,219 --> 02:13:30,329
you know I send you you know half the

2959
02:13:39,589 --> 02:13:37,229
kidney there's another half I ate other

2960
02:13:41,779 --> 02:13:39,599
have Irish guys don't write other they

2961
02:13:45,139 --> 02:13:41,789
just saved other they don't write other

2962
02:13:50,089 --> 02:13:45,149
oh man it is the crate now is the is the

2963
02:13:52,219 --> 02:13:50,099
from Hell letter still around I believe

2964
02:13:55,129 --> 02:13:52,229
they had that yeah I believe they have

2965
02:13:56,569 --> 02:13:55,139
it but you know what III can't I don't

2966
02:13:58,250 --> 02:13:56,579
want to say for sure because I don't

2967
02:14:00,379 --> 02:13:58,260
know for sure that they they have it

2968
02:14:02,270 --> 02:14:00,389
I've seen I believe I've seen it but I

2969
02:14:07,759 --> 02:14:02,280
might have seen a facsimile of it and

2970
02:14:13,579 --> 02:14:07,769
and who's it signed by um catch me if

2971
02:14:17,179 --> 02:14:13,589
you can mister lush I'm looking mister

2972
02:14:19,129 --> 02:14:17,189
mister with an H yes me together trying

2973
02:14:21,739 --> 02:14:19,139
to write and yeah they're trying to

2974
02:14:24,829 --> 02:14:21,749
they're trying to write an Irish accent

2975
02:14:27,919 --> 02:14:24,839
into the the actual letter I mean you

2976
02:14:33,020 --> 02:14:27,929
look at this I am gonna I'm gonna post

2977
02:14:35,089 --> 02:14:33,030
this really quick up on Twitter in real

2978
02:14:38,569 --> 02:14:35,099
time so just bear with me but you look

2979
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:38,579
at this and it is the creepiest of the

2980
02:14:43,790 --> 02:14:40,169
creepy that I can imagine

2981
02:14:46,099 --> 02:14:43,800
now I wanted to ask you as I'm starting

2982
02:14:50,689 --> 02:14:46,109
to post this now there is the other

2983
02:14:53,389 --> 02:14:50,699
twist on this as well which is that all

2984
02:14:55,699 --> 02:14:53,399
of this was just an elaborate hoax all

2985
02:14:57,859 --> 02:14:55,709
of this was just done by the newspapers

2986
02:15:02,029 --> 02:14:57,869
all of this was just made up there were

2987
02:15:04,069 --> 02:15:02,039
no there's nothing here okay you know my

2988
02:15:05,689 --> 02:15:04,079
opinion I Jimmy because listen I don't

2989
02:15:07,969 --> 02:15:05,699
care how enterprising and newsmen you

2990
02:15:10,250 --> 02:15:07,979
are in 1888 where are you gonna get your

2991
02:15:12,439 --> 02:15:10,260
hands on a human kidney with Bright's

2992
02:15:14,569 --> 02:15:12,449
disease with three inches of renal

2993
02:15:16,219 --> 02:15:14,579
artery with the angle of the cut

2994
02:15:18,559 --> 02:15:16,229
matching the angle of the cut on the

2995
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:18,569
body you know where are you gonna get

2996
02:15:22,340 --> 02:15:19,920
that and where are you

2997
02:15:25,310 --> 02:15:22,350
the idea to do this you know this is a

2998
02:15:27,290 --> 02:15:25,320
bit of propaganda this was to help their

2999
02:15:30,260 --> 02:15:27,300
cause to bring more attention to the

3000
02:15:32,330 --> 02:15:30,270
crime this is all very Kropotkin if you

3001
02:15:34,910 --> 02:15:32,340
read what copepod khun's tactics were in

3002
02:15:37,070 --> 02:15:34,920
his guerrilla warfare against capitalism

3003
02:15:39,020 --> 02:15:37,080
and christianity it's right up his tree

3004
02:15:41,150 --> 02:15:39,030
and if you read his statements where he

3005
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:41,160
praises Jack the Ripper there's a couple

3006
02:15:44,780 --> 02:15:43,050
of places in his writings where he

3007
02:15:47,210 --> 02:15:44,790
basically says Jack Tripper did good

3008
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:47,220
work and if he's ever caught it's the

3009
02:15:51,230 --> 02:15:49,110
judge that would hang him that deserves

3010
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,240
to be killed and it's not the Ripper

3011
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,800
that deserves to be executed it's the

3012
02:15:56,930 --> 02:15:54,960
guy that owns the wretched den where the

3013
02:15:59,480 --> 02:15:56,940
prostitute was murdered the prostitute

3014
02:16:00,800 --> 02:15:59,490
who only asked Jack to pay her rent how

3015
02:16:02,990 --> 02:16:00,810
did he know what the prostitute asked to

3016
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:03,000
act to do anyway and he says all the

3017
02:16:08,330 --> 02:16:05,610
jacks together you know how does he know

3018
02:16:10,580 --> 02:16:08,340
there's more than one jack Minoo he has

3019
02:16:15,020 --> 02:16:10,590
way too much interest in and knowledge

3020
02:16:17,860 --> 02:16:15,030
of the murders in my opinion he praises

3021
02:16:22,010 --> 02:16:17,870
Jack the Ripper twice in his writings

3022
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:22,020
where do you think we are Oh Oh before I

3023
02:16:31,300 --> 02:16:26,250
ask that I apologize did eat in any way

3024
02:16:36,470 --> 02:16:31,310
the series of murders through 1891 did

3025
02:16:38,780 --> 02:16:36,480
the prostitution drop right - did crime

3026
02:16:42,410 --> 02:16:38,790
drop did people get off of the streets

3027
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:42,420
but affected have on Whitechapel well

3028
02:16:47,150 --> 02:16:44,850
during the murders of course you know

3029
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:47,160
I'm sure a certain percentage of women

3030
02:16:50,510 --> 02:16:48,719
stopped prostituting but they really

3031
02:16:52,010 --> 02:16:50,520
couldn't they really had no choice they

3032
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:52,020
had nothing they had nowhere to sleep

3033
02:16:56,810 --> 02:16:54,690
and I think no way to eat they just took

3034
02:16:59,360 --> 02:16:56,820
their chances I don't think that during

3035
02:17:01,640 --> 02:16:59,370
the murder spree there was any

3036
02:17:04,910 --> 02:17:01,650
significant drop other than because of

3037
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:04,920
the extensive patrols there there would

3038
02:17:09,500 --> 02:17:08,130
have been a curb in crime just because

3039
02:17:11,209 --> 02:17:09,510
there was a cop on every corner

3040
02:17:15,169 --> 02:17:11,219
constantly patrolling and doing rounds

3041
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:15,179
so I'm sure there was a some drop in the

3042
02:17:19,820 --> 02:17:17,730
crime but I think the main drop in the

3043
02:17:22,250 --> 02:17:19,830
crime came after these murders started

3044
02:17:24,650 --> 02:17:22,260
to get you know a lot of build up a lot

3045
02:17:25,340 --> 02:17:24,660
of steam and Queen Victoria said to the

3046
02:17:27,730 --> 02:17:25,350
Home Office

3047
02:17:31,070 --> 02:17:27,740
listen clean that up clean that area up

3048
02:17:33,740 --> 02:17:31,080
we need to go we need to end this we

3049
02:17:37,220 --> 02:17:33,750
need to you know get this get this area

3050
02:17:40,220 --> 02:17:37,230
a chapel cleaned up and I do see that in

3051
02:17:42,560 --> 02:17:40,230
the subsequent years programs were put

3052
02:17:46,040 --> 02:17:42,570
into place you know to get the women off

3053
02:17:48,110 --> 02:17:46,050
the street to curb the crime so in fact

3054
02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:48,120
I hate to give the rippers any credit

3055
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:50,130
but I believe that their motive was

3056
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:52,410
ultimately altruistic to end

3057
02:17:57,740 --> 02:17:54,690
prostitution by sacrificing a few

3058
02:18:00,049 --> 02:17:57,750
martyrs for the cause and to to

3059
02:18:01,339 --> 02:18:00,059
basically end the sweating system I

3060
02:18:03,799 --> 02:18:01,349
don't think they really cared too much

3061
02:18:05,180 --> 02:18:03,809
about the crime in Whitechapel unless it

3062
02:18:07,759 --> 02:18:05,190
was that crime that affected their

3063
02:18:10,220 --> 02:18:07,769
community the the Jewish community I

3064
02:18:13,070 --> 02:18:10,230
think and the workers you know the

3065
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:13,080
Socialists isn't just about Judaism it's

3066
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:16,050
about the workers right and I think that

3067
02:18:20,810 --> 02:18:18,690
was the main objective all along that in

3068
02:18:23,330 --> 02:18:20,820
the attack on Christianity and I think

3069
02:18:26,390 --> 02:18:23,340
that they did actually accomplish a lot

3070
02:18:28,490 --> 02:18:26,400
of what they set out to do now I have a

3071
02:18:30,410 --> 02:18:28,500
theory I want to run this by you really

3072
02:18:33,320 --> 02:18:30,420
quick you probably haven't thought about

3073
02:18:35,660 --> 02:18:33,330
this before but what about Jack the

3074
02:18:39,379 --> 02:18:35,670
Ripper was actually the Loch Ness

3075
02:18:42,530 --> 02:18:39,389
monster oh yeah well that's a very

3076
02:18:45,560 --> 02:18:42,540
viable theory because I mean how far is

3077
02:18:49,549 --> 02:18:45,570
it to my job to talk mess Inverness is

3078
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:49,559
it's only probably ten hours drive and

3079
02:18:53,360 --> 02:18:51,120
it does make sense because nobody's

3080
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:53,370
found the Loch Ness monster okay there

3081
02:18:57,890 --> 02:18:56,160
see and I waited 45 minutes and nothing

3082
02:19:00,470 --> 02:18:57,900
happened it makes sense if you think

3083
02:19:03,919 --> 02:19:00,480
about it plus you know Loch Ness monster

3084
02:19:06,700 --> 02:19:03,929
quiet stealthy right it makes a lot of

3085
02:19:07,970 --> 02:19:06,710
sense and we were talking about

3086
02:19:10,490 --> 02:19:07,980
everybody

3087
02:19:12,410 --> 02:19:10,500
earlier tonight if we were gonna have

3088
02:19:15,589 --> 02:19:12,420
any humor on the show I had to go

3089
02:19:20,450 --> 02:19:15,599
somewhere it is such a dark when we

3090
02:19:24,890 --> 02:19:20,460
think about not only the the amount of

3091
02:19:26,900 --> 02:19:24,900
killing the the entire thing it is one

3092
02:19:28,759 --> 02:19:26,910
of the most it's just it's just

3093
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:28,769
completely gnarly and the fact that

3094
02:19:36,740 --> 02:19:34,050
nobody you know let me let me speak to

3095
02:19:39,530 --> 02:19:36,750
that point when I wrote this book what I

3096
02:19:41,540 --> 02:19:39,540
did at the end of the book and this was

3097
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:41,550
the toughest part of the writing you

3098
02:19:45,650 --> 02:19:43,290
know it was tough trying to recreate

3099
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:45,660
Doyle style and use Old English but the

3100
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:47,610
toughest part of the book was what I

3101
02:19:52,190 --> 02:19:49,730
call going into dean ships his room

3102
02:19:54,410 --> 02:19:52,200
because what I would have to do as an

3103
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:54,420
investigator does is go into the mind of

3104
02:19:59,120 --> 02:19:56,730
these killers and I wrote a number of

3105
02:20:01,940 --> 02:19:59,130
chapters once I give the reader all the

3106
02:20:04,190 --> 02:20:01,950
information I go back and I redo the

3107
02:20:06,890 --> 02:20:04,200
murders a second time mm-hmm

3108
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:06,900
from the murderers viewpoint and that

3109
02:20:11,960 --> 02:20:09,390
was very very damaging to me to do

3110
02:20:14,510 --> 02:20:11,970
because I had to actually I used to call

3111
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:14,520
it going into their room and I would

3112
02:20:18,830 --> 02:20:16,530
have to sort of get into their mindset

3113
02:20:20,180 --> 02:20:18,840
and write this chapter I you know the

3114
02:20:21,950 --> 02:20:20,190
first time I do the murders the man

3115
02:20:23,930 --> 02:20:21,960
grabbed the woman he slammed her against

3116
02:20:26,540 --> 02:20:23,940
the wall he punched her in the face

3117
02:20:28,700 --> 02:20:26,550
she self but in in the subsequent

3118
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:28,710
chapters once the readers clued into the

3119
02:20:34,130 --> 02:20:31,770
actual killers I write you know from

3120
02:20:36,380 --> 02:20:34,140
Isaac cause broadsky's point of view i I

3121
02:20:38,270 --> 02:20:36,390
severed her I don't even wanna say it

3122
02:20:39,860 --> 02:20:38,280
but I mean I had to write it from his

3123
02:20:41,690 --> 02:20:39,870
point of view and it was very very dark

3124
02:20:44,030 --> 02:20:41,700
it was very very difficult to do and

3125
02:20:47,150 --> 02:20:44,040
damaging and I sustained some damage

3126
02:20:50,570 --> 02:20:47,160
from doing it you had you can't unsee

3127
02:20:54,200 --> 02:20:50,580
you can't unsee it you can't unthink it

3128
02:20:58,600 --> 02:20:54,210
no no it it's dark you know it's dark

3129
02:21:01,550 --> 02:20:58,610
and it's consuming and as you you know

3130
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:01,560
continuously continuously research think

3131
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:05,130
about it contemplate theorize write and

3132
02:21:10,610 --> 02:21:08,010
fictionalized this it's it's consuming

3133
02:21:12,770 --> 02:21:10,620
it becomes part of you and I can't

3134
02:21:15,050 --> 02:21:12,780
imagine trying to you know unravel

3135
02:21:16,970 --> 02:21:15,060
myself and get back to normal I bet you

3136
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:16,980
couldn't wait to get this thing to your

3137
02:21:21,890 --> 02:21:20,010
editor yeah no you know I I talked to my

3138
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:21,900
mom like every night when I you know I

3139
02:21:26,270 --> 02:21:24,090
have a mama's boy I talk of my mama

3140
02:21:28,460 --> 02:21:26,280
every night she's a huge true crime fan

3141
02:21:30,980 --> 02:21:28,470
and she's the one who got me onto these

3142
02:21:32,600 --> 02:21:30,990
books back when I was a kid and you know

3143
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:32,610
my mom I would bounce stuff off her and

3144
02:21:35,450 --> 02:21:33,930
she would say you know when are you

3145
02:21:37,460 --> 02:21:35,460
gonna be able to stop going in this

3146
02:21:39,020 --> 02:21:37,470
guy's room and I said well finally mom

3147
02:21:41,300 --> 02:21:39,030
you know tonight's the last night I got

3148
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:41,310
to go in his room one last time and she

3149
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:43,050
said do me a favor you know throw a

3150
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,210
match in there when you leave shut the

3151
02:21:49,580 --> 02:21:47,840
right so you know I did that

3152
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:49,590
psychological a lot I don't know

3153
02:21:53,479 --> 02:21:51,120
psychosomatically whatever the right

3154
02:21:56,059 --> 02:21:53,489
term is I did it and you know tried to

3155
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,069
rid myself of that but you know you like

3156
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:58,080
I said you can't unthink and unsee those

3157
02:22:01,160 --> 02:21:59,520
things you saw in your mind's eye you

3158
02:22:02,929 --> 02:22:01,170
know theater the mind you were talking

3159
02:22:04,460 --> 02:22:02,939
about last night right it was kind of a

3160
02:22:07,370 --> 02:22:04,470
theater of the mind formerly that played

3161
02:22:10,969 --> 02:22:07,380
out these crimes right right right

3162
02:22:18,530 --> 02:22:10,979
now what about Henry and and Michael and

3163
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:18,540
Cyril today they do do they think that

3164
02:22:23,210 --> 02:22:22,050
this has been solved oh yeah oh they

3165
02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:23,220
never want to put their name on it

3166
02:22:28,250 --> 02:22:25,590
listen these guys have a huge reputation

3167
02:22:30,130 --> 02:22:28,260
have huge reputations and a lot at stake

3168
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:30,140
for them to become a laughingstock

3169
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:32,489
backing a theory that doesn't have

3170
02:22:36,979 --> 02:22:35,010
evidence to support it right and you

3171
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:36,989
know I don't want to name any names but

3172
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,850
I'm going to tell you one of the most

3173
02:22:43,269 --> 02:22:41,040
prolific Jack the Ripper theorists out

3174
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:43,279
there was very successful work

3175
02:22:51,320 --> 02:22:47,370
approached dr. Baden and said first you

3176
02:22:53,150 --> 02:22:51,330
know offered him a reward to basically

3177
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,160
rubber-stamp the theory that that author

3178
02:22:57,139 --> 02:22:55,439
was promoting dr. Baden looked at the

3179
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:57,149
evidence and said absolutely not I'm not

3180
02:23:03,650 --> 02:23:00,000
put my name on that that person then

3181
02:23:06,679 --> 02:23:03,660
went to dr. Wecht who also refused and

3182
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,689
then dr. Lee who also refused mm-hmm so

3183
02:23:12,500 --> 02:23:08,399
they've already they already have a

3184
02:23:15,469 --> 02:23:12,510
history of turning down Jack the Ripper

3185
02:23:18,769 --> 02:23:15,479
theorists who believed they solved the

3186
02:23:20,450 --> 02:23:18,779
case but all three of them jumped in

3187
02:23:23,330 --> 02:23:20,460
with both feet and their names are on

3188
02:23:27,519 --> 02:23:23,340
the cover of my book and B as they're

3189
02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:27,529
wholeheartedly backing me on this the

3190
02:23:33,050 --> 02:23:32,010
what about the rest of by the way I

3191
02:23:35,809 --> 02:23:33,060
haven't even told you all my evidence

3192
02:23:37,130 --> 02:23:35,819
yet so anyway oh I can keep you on for

3193
02:23:41,570 --> 02:23:37,140
overtime if you want to go through that

3194
02:23:46,460 --> 02:23:41,580
that's not a problem okay not a problem

3195
02:23:49,189 --> 02:23:46,470
the well but what about the the law

3196
02:23:50,809 --> 02:23:49,199
community and you know in in Great

3197
02:23:53,059 --> 02:23:50,819
Britain what did they think about the

3198
02:23:57,170 --> 02:23:53,069
book and I'm talking about Scotland Yard

3199
02:23:59,630 --> 02:23:57,180
and and the Metropolitan Police no no

3200
02:24:02,750 --> 02:23:59,640
they haven't contacted me I don't know

3201
02:24:04,820 --> 02:24:02,760
I'm hoping that my contacts you know

3202
02:24:06,740 --> 02:24:04,830
with the doctors will eventually get me

3203
02:24:11,090 --> 02:24:06,750
in front of the right people here's my

3204
02:24:16,010 --> 02:24:11,100
dream my dream would be that the future

3205
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:16,020
king of England young guy might get a

3206
02:24:20,689 --> 02:24:18,720
hold of this theory and say this theory

3207
02:24:23,540 --> 02:24:20,699
not only makes sense and is backed by

3208
02:24:26,179 --> 02:24:23,550
three of the world's top criminalists

3209
02:24:29,030 --> 02:24:26,189
but it's also something that exonerates

3210
02:24:31,519 --> 02:24:29,040
once and for all my family from blame on

3211
02:24:33,979 --> 02:24:31,529
this crime because this pervasive rumor

3212
02:24:34,580 --> 02:24:33,989
of this rural involvement still exists

3213
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:34,590
to this very day

3214
02:24:39,229 --> 02:24:36,930
if you get ten educated people into a

3215
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:39,239
room cocktail party and you bring up

3216
02:24:42,500 --> 02:24:41,040
Jack the Ripper someone's bound to bring

3217
02:24:45,469 --> 02:24:42,510
up the fact that wasn't it a royal

3218
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:45,479
mmm-hmm and I think that at some point

3219
02:24:51,260 --> 02:24:49,170
in time my dream would be for someone in

3220
02:24:52,670 --> 02:24:51,270
the royal family to look at this and say

3221
02:24:55,130 --> 02:24:52,680
I believe this

3222
02:24:56,929 --> 02:24:55,140
this kid solved it I think we I think

3223
02:24:59,660 --> 02:24:56,939
we've actually got a solution to this

3224
02:25:02,090 --> 02:24:59,670
crime I mean I've been told by the

3225
02:25:04,189 --> 02:25:02,100
district attorney of my County that he

3226
02:25:05,870 --> 02:25:04,199
could prosecute this case and definitely

3227
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:05,880
get a conviction against at least one

3228
02:25:10,340 --> 02:25:07,770
probably all three of my suspects

3229
02:25:12,860 --> 02:25:10,350
maybe couldn't get Kropotkin but he

3230
02:25:15,250 --> 02:25:12,870
could get the three killers and I've

3231
02:25:19,429 --> 02:25:15,260
been told by a very prominent attorney a

3232
02:25:22,189 --> 02:25:19,439
very very prominent attorney that he

3233
02:25:24,620 --> 02:25:22,199
couldn't defend them properly because of

3234
02:25:26,540 --> 02:25:24,630
the evidence that we've gathered so you

3235
02:25:29,630 --> 02:25:26,550
know my dream would be someday that

3236
02:25:33,260 --> 02:25:29,640
Scotland Yard the Home Office somebody

3237
02:25:36,559 --> 02:25:33,270
even even one of the princes would take

3238
02:25:40,510 --> 02:25:36,569
a look at this and say hey this finally

3239
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:40,520
puts that rumor to bed and let's let's

3240
02:25:46,099 --> 02:25:43,370
convict these guys you know in absentia

3241
02:25:48,469 --> 02:25:46,109
let's let's close this case once and for

3242
02:25:49,700 --> 02:25:48,479
all you know you're never going to get

3243
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:49,710
everybody to agree there's loads of

3244
02:25:53,330 --> 02:25:50,880
people with a dog in the fight that will

3245
02:25:54,740 --> 02:25:53,340
never agree that I've solved it no

3246
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:54,750
matter how much evidence I present I

3247
02:25:58,950 --> 02:25:57,120
could dig up the body of Dean chutes and

3248
02:26:01,020 --> 02:25:58,960
one of the victims and find a DNA match

3249
02:26:04,050 --> 02:26:01,030
still wouldn't buy it right you know

3250
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:04,060
yeah so so you know you're never gonna

3251
02:26:08,820 --> 02:26:06,250
convince the whole world but I just need

3252
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:08,830
to convince the right people so you

3253
02:26:13,230 --> 02:26:10,720
remember dr. Baden was hired by Scotland

3254
02:26:17,219 --> 02:26:13,240
Yard at one point to solve the crimes in

3255
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:17,229
the 60s wasn't able to do it so he could

3256
02:26:22,500 --> 02:26:19,690
possibly be the key at some point for

3257
02:26:24,810 --> 02:26:22,510
someone you know some royal family

3258
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:24,820
member or someone high up in Scotland

3259
02:26:32,930 --> 02:26:28,210
Yard or the Home Office to actually take

3260
02:26:35,310 --> 02:26:32,940
a look at my case and possibly deem it

3261
02:26:36,930 --> 02:26:35,320
sufficient for convictions well we'll

3262
02:26:39,420 --> 02:26:36,940
talk about the evidence when we come

3263
02:26:42,690 --> 02:26:39,430
back after this break Randy but I want I

3264
02:26:45,719 --> 02:26:42,700
need to ask you out of Michael Baden and

3265
02:26:49,410 --> 02:26:45,729
Henry Lee and Cyril Wecht all three you

3266
02:26:52,050 --> 02:26:49,420
know such respect but which one do I

3267
02:26:58,640 --> 02:26:52,060
take out to dinner and knock back some

3268
02:27:06,060 --> 02:27:03,150
Baden is so interesting and terrific you

3269
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:06,070
know and just such a personality and you

3270
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:08,170
you know judging from what I know of you

3271
02:27:13,380 --> 02:27:10,960
I'm listening to you I think Baden might

3272
02:27:15,540 --> 02:27:13,390
be your guy really no Henry Lee of

3273
02:27:17,100 --> 02:27:15,550
course is my guy why because Henry Lee

3274
02:27:20,010 --> 02:27:17,110
is a martial artist in his charities

3275
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:20,020
right you know and and you know so it is

3276
02:27:23,940 --> 02:27:22,240
a huge Bruce Lee fan so when I go out

3277
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:23,950
with dr. Lee and we knock back some wine

3278
02:27:29,460 --> 02:27:27,280
and believe me we do I have the time of

3279
02:27:32,940 --> 02:27:29,470
my life you know dr. Lee just recently

3280
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:32,950
lost his wife yes he's a very strong man

3281
02:27:37,830 --> 02:27:36,010
he's coming back you know so dr. Lee

3282
02:27:39,420 --> 02:27:37,840
probably wouldn't be in the mood to

3283
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,430
party at this particular time and what

3284
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:41,920
about Cyril Cyril

3285
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:47,200
oh my god is zero what can you know he

3286
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:49,210
can knock it back Cyril Wecht is so

3287
02:27:56,670 --> 02:27:51,850
interesting and and so but you know I

3288
02:27:59,340 --> 02:27:56,680
look at dr. Wecht more as with reverence

3289
02:28:01,410 --> 02:27:59,350
you know with respect I mean I respect

3290
02:28:02,969 --> 02:28:01,420
the other two don't get me wrong but the

3291
02:28:04,230 --> 02:28:02,979
other two if you look at like pictures

3292
02:28:05,730 --> 02:28:04,240
of me with them there's goofing around

3293
02:28:08,400 --> 02:28:05,740
with me they got their arm around me

3294
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:08,410
they're you know doing kung fu stuff

3295
02:28:12,180 --> 02:28:11,530
with me you know what I always kind of

3296
02:28:14,970 --> 02:28:12,190
hold him

3297
02:28:17,580 --> 02:28:14,980
in a in a sort of different category I

3298
02:28:19,290 --> 02:28:17,590
look at him as with reverent and when I

3299
02:28:22,190 --> 02:28:19,300
talk to him I'm very careful about what

3300
02:28:25,051 --> 02:28:22,200
I say Brian you know he he's very quick

3301
02:28:26,910 --> 02:28:25,061
he's very quick to snap but not you know

3302
02:28:28,920 --> 02:28:26,920
snap it no I don't know if that's the

3303
02:28:29,490 --> 02:28:28,930
right term but he's great to say no you

3304
02:28:35,310 --> 02:28:29,500
can't say that

3305
02:28:38,580 --> 02:28:35,320
no I can only he's very meticulous you

3306
02:28:40,170 --> 02:28:38,590
know and so you know it just depends

3307
02:28:43,230 --> 02:28:40,180
what kind of night you want to have man

3308
02:28:46,620 --> 02:28:43,240
that is the serious 18 by the way I mean

3309
02:28:49,230 --> 02:28:46,630
it does that's it that's it that's the a

3310
02:28:51,450 --> 02:28:49,240
plus team yes the A+ I'm the only

3311
02:28:53,310 --> 02:28:51,460
negative on the team I'm the only

3312
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negative other team if you take you know

3313
02:28:59,070 --> 02:28:56,470
you take my negativity and on the scale

3314
02:29:01,591 --> 02:28:59,080
I they're still a plus without you know

3315
02:29:02,850 --> 02:29:01,601
even with me detracting community we're

3316
02:29:05,370 --> 02:29:02,860
gonna take a break right here a little

3317
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:05,380
over time with author Randy William

3318
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talking about his book Sherlock Holmes

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and the autumn of terror

3320
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its perks but remember being a few years

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younger you know your hair was thicker

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you didn't have so many wrinkles that

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extra weight wasn't haunting you and you

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the clocks and go back 10 or 15 years

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are asking you what you did to look so

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3396
02:33:29,341 --> 02:33:26,860
all right welcome back

3397
02:33:31,841 --> 02:33:29,351
fade to black happy Halloween everybody

3398
02:33:33,791 --> 02:33:31,851
in the do little overtime with our guest

3399
02:33:36,820 --> 02:33:33,801
tonight Randy Williams discussing his

3400
02:33:40,060 --> 02:33:36,830
new book Sherlock Holmes and the autumn

3401
02:33:43,570 --> 02:33:40,070
of terror discussing and solving the

3402
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:43,580
Jack the Ripper case now the the

3403
02:33:47,230 --> 02:33:45,290
conversation has been absolutely

3404
02:33:48,791 --> 02:33:47,240
fascinating and I've learned so much

3405
02:33:50,740 --> 02:33:48,801
tonight which is the best part of fade

3406
02:33:54,881 --> 02:33:50,750
to black and and what I do here Randy

3407
02:33:57,430 --> 02:33:54,891
but for me it's always getting - I love

3408
02:33:59,770 --> 02:33:57,440
I love nonfiction I love documentaries I

3409
02:34:02,530 --> 02:33:59,780
like facts I like the black and white of

3410
02:34:05,081 --> 02:34:02,540
it and so we're doing that we're doing

3411
02:34:07,751 --> 02:34:05,091
what yeah as great as this conversation

3412
02:34:09,730 --> 02:34:07,761
has been we're getting to what I think

3413
02:34:12,041 --> 02:34:09,740
is the most fascinating part which is

3414
02:34:14,291 --> 02:34:12,051
the evidence and for you to say hey wait

3415
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:14,301
what we didn't even get to the evidence

3416
02:34:22,140 --> 02:34:17,330
yet but so let's let's okay let's let's

3417
02:34:24,700 --> 02:34:22,150
go down the list number one all right

3418
02:34:25,751 --> 02:34:24,710
sorry here's the background noise it's

3419
02:34:27,371 --> 02:34:25,761
there's there were some

3420
02:34:29,501 --> 02:34:27,381
trick-or-treaters out there but but my

3421
02:34:33,041 --> 02:34:29,511
faithful man served and I go it took

3422
02:34:35,970 --> 02:34:33,051
care of it now let's talk about let's

3423
02:34:38,621 --> 02:34:35,980
talk about the some of the evidence okay

3424
02:34:41,470 --> 02:34:38,631
first of all multiple killer evidence

3425
02:34:43,661 --> 02:34:41,480
first of all we have two of the murders

3426
02:34:46,900 --> 02:34:43,671
that were committed with two knives a

3427
02:34:48,671 --> 02:34:46,910
six-inch and a 9-inch Martha Chaplin was

3428
02:34:50,921 --> 02:34:48,681
killed with a six-inch and a nine inch

3429
02:34:52,751 --> 02:34:50,931
knife but the double event murders one

3430
02:34:55,270 --> 02:34:52,761
was a six-inch knife and one was a nine

3431
02:34:56,890 --> 02:34:55,280
inch of course that matches the idea

3432
02:34:58,360 --> 02:34:56,900
that one of my guys wasn't there for the

3433
02:35:01,030 --> 02:34:58,370
second murder

3434
02:35:02,501 --> 02:35:01,040
we have Emmitt Smith's statement of the

3435
02:35:04,541 --> 02:35:02,511
three guys that attacked

3436
02:35:06,310 --> 02:35:04,551
we have Schwartz Israel Schwartz the

3437
02:35:08,621 --> 02:35:06,320
witness that claimed to have seen two

3438
02:35:10,930 --> 02:35:08,631
Jewish men attacking the woman a guy

3439
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:10,940
called Joseph Luanne and another guy

3440
02:35:16,720 --> 02:35:14,080
Joseph Levy and Harry Harris sauce

3441
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:16,730
Catherine Eddowes talking to a man that

3442
02:35:22,180 --> 02:35:19,280
perfectly fit Friedman's description

3443
02:35:23,560 --> 02:35:22,190
that that matched Israel Swartz's

3444
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:23,570
description of the guy smoking a pipe

3445
02:35:27,310 --> 02:35:26,210
across the road talking to the victim

3446
02:35:29,230 --> 02:35:27,320
just before she was killed

3447
02:35:30,490 --> 02:35:29,240
and then they later on said something

3448
02:35:32,020 --> 02:35:30,500
like I don't want to really talk about

3449
02:35:34,211 --> 02:35:32,030
it you know I don't want anything to do

3450
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:34,221
with people like that people a person

3451
02:35:36,650 --> 02:35:35,610
not a person

3452
02:35:40,850 --> 02:35:36,660
the descriptions they're always

3453
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:40,860
describing a guy 30 to 35 or 40 or 17 or

3454
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:44,010
19 you know all perfectly match team

3455
02:35:50,570 --> 02:35:47,840
shirts let's talk about the fact that

3456
02:35:53,120 --> 02:35:50,580
Dean shoots himself let me go into him

3457
02:35:55,370 --> 02:35:53,130
because I think that's important he was

3458
02:35:57,560 --> 02:35:55,380
27 or 28 during the murders

3459
02:35:59,390 --> 02:35:57,570
now Dean shoots itself is a fake name

3460
02:36:01,250 --> 02:35:59,400
there's no such surname in-game shirts

3461
02:36:03,261 --> 02:36:01,260
doesn't exist

3462
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:03,271
Dean shirts is is a word that means

3463
02:36:08,150 --> 02:36:05,130
protector of noblewomen

3464
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:08,160
or protector of smoke he spelled his

3465
02:36:11,990 --> 02:36:10,110
name 12 different ways that I could find

3466
02:36:13,370 --> 02:36:12,000
I think cuz he couldn't remember how to

3467
02:36:15,410 --> 02:36:13,380
spell it or he was trying to throw off

3468
02:36:17,960 --> 02:36:15,420
the police but he never spelled the same

3469
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,970
way twice if you think about the name

3470
02:36:22,340 --> 02:36:19,920
game shirts protector of noble women you

3471
02:36:25,011 --> 02:36:22,350
know Dean means can mean in Russian can

3472
02:36:27,350 --> 02:36:25,021
mean Dame as in Dame Edith Evans like a

3473
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:27,360
knight female knight or it can mean

3474
02:36:32,360 --> 02:36:30,570
smoke shirts means protector protector

3475
02:36:34,490 --> 02:36:32,370
of smoke like up in smoke or smoke and

3476
02:36:37,310 --> 02:36:34,500
mirrors or it could mean protector of

3477
02:36:39,500 --> 02:36:37,320
noble women and a prostitute is the

3478
02:36:43,130 --> 02:36:39,510
absolute antithesis in their minds of

3479
02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:43,140
the noble woman I think he knew that it

3480
02:36:47,780 --> 02:36:44,670
meant both of those things and I think

3481
02:36:49,700 --> 02:36:47,790
that was a little word game he played he

3482
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:49,710
was educated spoke Russian English

3483
02:36:56,060 --> 02:36:53,130
Yiddish and Hebrew kids could write in

3484
02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:56,070
Hebrew he was a very educated guy he

3485
02:36:58,761 --> 02:36:57,090
found a body

3486
02:37:00,830 --> 02:36:58,771
supposedly along with the other three

3487
02:37:03,980 --> 02:37:00,840
guys but here's something very important

3488
02:37:05,240 --> 02:37:03,990
he he claims in one case when he gave

3489
02:37:08,120 --> 02:37:05,250
his statement to the police he claimed

3490
02:37:10,761 --> 02:37:08,130
he was a costume jewelry salesman now

3491
02:37:12,530 --> 02:37:10,771
two of my victims Tabram and chapman

3492
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:12,540
both were known to have bought and

3493
02:37:17,660 --> 02:37:16,080
resold costume jewelry Tabram was

3494
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:17,670
shopping for custom jewelry the night

3495
02:37:21,830 --> 02:37:19,530
she died her husband gave her his

3496
02:37:24,770 --> 02:37:21,840
paycheck the night before she died to

3497
02:37:27,110 --> 02:37:24,780
buy costume jewelry in order to avoid

3498
02:37:29,030 --> 02:37:27,120
prostitution and she was killed in

3499
02:37:31,880 --> 02:37:29,040
George yard stable across from her house

3500
02:37:34,250 --> 02:37:31,890
which is according to deanship two

3501
02:37:35,660 --> 02:37:34,260
statements to the police I keep my horse

3502
02:37:39,500 --> 02:37:35,670
and buggy staplers in George yard

3503
02:37:40,970 --> 02:37:39,510
stables you know he later subsequently

3504
02:37:43,670 --> 02:37:40,980
when he was arrested for another crime

3505
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:43,680
he claimed he was a horse shoe now Jack

3506
02:37:48,860 --> 02:37:45,840
the Ripper was known to be covered in

3507
02:37:49,400 --> 02:37:48,870
costume jewelry you know fake gold

3508
02:37:52,700 --> 02:37:49,410
chains

3509
02:37:55,970 --> 02:37:52,710
big red jewel but a horseshoe type in a

3510
02:37:57,530 --> 02:37:55,980
horseshoe type it and he claims to be a

3511
02:38:00,500 --> 02:37:57,540
horseshoe or later on when he gets

3512
02:38:03,770 --> 02:38:00,510
arrested he tells this ridiculous story

3513
02:38:06,170 --> 02:38:03,780
about his pony you know he comes upon

3514
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:06,180
this body and his pony refuses to to

3515
02:38:09,980 --> 02:38:08,250
move past this body so he prods it with

3516
02:38:12,830 --> 02:38:09,990
this whip and says oh it feels like a

3517
02:38:14,540 --> 02:38:12,840
body his whole story when you read it

3518
02:38:17,390 --> 02:38:14,550
it's so fake I call it the phony Pony

3519
02:38:19,210 --> 02:38:17,400
story I run a horse ranch that's my

3520
02:38:21,591 --> 02:38:19,220
that's my hobby I have horses here

3521
02:38:23,841 --> 02:38:21,601
horses don't see much better than we do

3522
02:38:25,761 --> 02:38:23,851
in the dark but a horse that goes to

3523
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:25,771
market as deanship said he did the night

3524
02:38:30,730 --> 02:38:27,930
of the murder which is also fake because

3525
02:38:32,810 --> 02:38:30,740
he was Jewish and that's their Sabbath

3526
02:38:34,250 --> 02:38:32,820
they're not supposed to work on on the

3527
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:34,260
Sabbath he says he went to market that

3528
02:38:39,020 --> 02:38:36,570
day and this horse that goes to market

3529
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:39,030
every day is not going to be afraid of a

3530
02:38:45,080 --> 02:38:42,240
woman who was murdered 20 minutes before

3531
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:45,090
laying 12 feet away from them in the

3532
02:38:49,610 --> 02:38:47,090
dark the horse would walk right past it

3533
02:38:51,620 --> 02:38:49,620
but he tells the police who don't know

3534
02:38:53,870 --> 02:38:51,630
much about horses that his pony was

3535
02:38:56,120 --> 02:38:53,880
startled I call it the phony pony story

3536
02:38:58,190 --> 02:38:56,130
he gave so many conflicting statements

3537
02:39:00,440 --> 02:38:58,200
when you read a statement we call it

3538
02:39:02,420 --> 02:39:00,450
investigators call it leakage you know

3539
02:39:04,940 --> 02:39:02,430
due to what they call cognitive

3540
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:04,950
complexity it's hard to keep your story

3541
02:39:09,980 --> 02:39:07,200
straight and it causes inconsistencies

3542
02:39:11,810 --> 02:39:09,990
mm-hmm you know he knew he had pieces of

3543
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:11,820
guilty knowledge he said she had candies

3544
02:39:15,950 --> 02:39:13,290
in one hand and grapes in the other so

3545
02:39:17,540 --> 02:39:15,960
Tuco's Brodsky you know there weren't

3546
02:39:18,980 --> 02:39:17,550
any there weren't any grapes in her hand

3547
02:39:21,230 --> 02:39:18,990
there were candies all right but the

3548
02:39:22,460 --> 02:39:21,240
grapes were 12 feet away covered in

3549
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:22,470
blood but nobody thought they had

3550
02:39:25,881 --> 02:39:24,000
anything to do with the murders so

3551
02:39:27,440 --> 02:39:25,891
nobody paid attention to the grapes deme

3552
02:39:28,790 --> 02:39:27,450
shirts and COEs Brodsky said she had

3553
02:39:31,580 --> 02:39:28,800
grapes in one hand and candy in the

3554
02:39:33,140 --> 02:39:31,590
other how'd they know that you know they

3555
02:39:35,930 --> 02:39:33,150
only found them three days later the

3556
02:39:38,420 --> 02:39:35,940
grapes how did they know game shirts

3557
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:38,430
also said the woman I found she was

3558
02:39:40,850 --> 02:39:39,690
dressed quite a bit better than the

3559
02:39:43,011 --> 02:39:40,860
woman that was killed a couple of weeks

3560
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:43,021
ago how did he know that how would he

3561
02:39:45,500 --> 02:39:43,200
know

3562
02:39:47,810 --> 02:39:45,510
pitchblack right but furthermore there

3563
02:39:49,850 --> 02:39:47,820
were no pictures of Annie Chapman ever

3564
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:49,860
published that showed how she was

3565
02:39:53,780 --> 02:39:51,930
dressed her clothes were you know torn

3566
02:39:55,551 --> 02:39:53,790
up and covered in blood how would he

3567
02:39:57,320 --> 02:39:55,561
know how she was dressed how did he

3568
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:57,330
become an expert the next morning after

3569
02:40:01,190 --> 02:39:59,280
the murder when he found a body

3570
02:40:03,300 --> 02:40:01,200
quote/unquote on what the previous

3571
02:40:05,819 --> 02:40:03,310
victim was wearing

3572
02:40:07,710 --> 02:40:05,829
no it just doesn't make sense it's it's

3573
02:40:09,630 --> 02:40:07,720
what we call guilty knowledge he made

3574
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:09,640
statements to the police and the court

3575
02:40:14,760 --> 02:40:12,489
about you know I lit a match cause

3576
02:40:16,649 --> 02:40:14,770
Brodsky lifted the body later on I

3577
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:16,659
listed the body while cuz Brodsky lit a

3578
02:40:19,649 --> 02:40:17,170
match

3579
02:40:21,210 --> 02:40:19,659
later on I never touched the body he

3580
02:40:23,250 --> 02:40:21,220
said her hands were crossed across her

3581
02:40:24,929 --> 02:40:23,260
breast her hands had grapes and candy in

3582
02:40:26,519 --> 02:40:24,939
another statement to the court he said I

3583
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:26,529
never touched I never saw her hands I

3584
02:40:30,090 --> 02:40:28,210
don't know what her hands were doing you

3585
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:30,100
know he made all these conflicting

3586
02:40:35,399 --> 02:40:33,040
statements you know that don't make any

3587
02:40:38,069 --> 02:40:35,409
sense when you read them he had guilty

3588
02:40:39,870 --> 02:40:38,079
knowledge you know and that's like I

3589
02:40:41,550 --> 02:40:39,880
said it's basically refers to the

3590
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:41,560
suspect knowing details of a crime that

3591
02:40:45,179 --> 02:40:42,970
were strategically held back by police

3592
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:45,189
that only someone directly involved or

3593
02:40:49,469 --> 02:40:46,479
someone who has spoken to the actual

3594
02:40:49,769 --> 02:40:49,479
perpetrator could know the day after the

3595
02:40:52,139 --> 02:40:49,779
murder

3596
02:40:54,330 --> 02:40:52,149
Dean shoots posed for pictures for these

3597
02:40:56,639 --> 02:40:54,340
guys to draw him and he had a full beard

3598
02:40:59,609 --> 02:40:56,649
in these pictures but yet when he showed

3599
02:41:02,819 --> 02:40:59,619
up for the court inquest

3600
02:41:05,580 --> 02:41:02,829
describes death 2-3 days later his beard

3601
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:05,590
was gone you know why would you shave

3602
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:08,170
your beard Jews are forbidden to shave

3603
02:41:12,990 --> 02:41:10,210
that beard by the Torah unless there's

3604
02:41:15,510 --> 02:41:13,000
extenuating circumstances but yet he

3605
02:41:17,399 --> 02:41:15,520
knew that a police constable William

3606
02:41:19,740 --> 02:41:17,409
Smith had seen the Ripper talking to

3607
02:41:21,859 --> 02:41:19,750
stride on the corner near the club and

3608
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:21,869
the guy described game ships to a tee

3609
02:41:26,609 --> 02:41:24,250
described exactly the figure that posed

3610
02:41:28,679 --> 02:41:26,619
for those pictures with the beard so I

3611
02:41:30,809 --> 02:41:28,689
believe he shaved his beard off and the

3612
02:41:33,059 --> 02:41:30,819
only known drawing of him that from the

3613
02:41:35,160 --> 02:41:33,069
court shows him without a beard clear

3614
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:35,170
clean-shaven why did he shave his beard

3615
02:41:39,149 --> 02:41:37,840
three days after the murders I believe

3616
02:41:40,859 --> 02:41:39,159
because he knew William Smith would be

3617
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:40,869
there and he thought thought this guy's

3618
02:41:45,389 --> 02:41:43,449
gonna recognize me no guys we can't dye

3619
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:45,399
our hair or wear makeup so how do we

3620
02:41:48,929 --> 02:41:46,930
change our appearance growing or shaving

3621
02:41:51,420 --> 02:41:48,939
a beard that's what he did why did he

3622
02:41:53,880 --> 02:41:51,430
shave his beard exactly you know so

3623
02:41:56,389 --> 02:41:53,890
these are some bits of evidence that

3624
02:41:59,160 --> 02:41:56,399
just point at this guy

3625
02:42:00,389 --> 02:41:59,170
especially the guilty knowledge when he

3626
02:42:03,569 --> 02:42:00,399
went to court he never mentioned

3627
02:42:05,490 --> 02:42:03,579
Friedman being there at the crime scene

3628
02:42:08,010 --> 02:42:05,500
he mentioned it only in the Hebrew

3629
02:42:10,139 --> 02:42:08,020
newspaper that he published so he

3630
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:10,149
mentioned Friedman being one of the guys

3631
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:11,920
that came out the door and ran for

3632
02:42:15,870 --> 02:42:14,319
police but in the statements in court

3633
02:42:17,070 --> 02:42:15,880
and to the police Friedman's name has

3634
02:42:20,340 --> 02:42:17,080
never brought up

3635
02:42:22,650 --> 02:42:20,350
never never mentions it why you know so

3636
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:22,660
it's because Friedman ran from the crime

3637
02:42:26,670 --> 02:42:24,850
scene dropped the knife that I told you

3638
02:42:28,080 --> 02:42:26,680
about I never came back to the club so

3639
02:42:30,570 --> 02:42:28,090
they couldn't account for him so they

3640
02:42:32,309 --> 02:42:30,580
never mentioned him you know there's

3641
02:42:34,980 --> 02:42:32,319
there's a lot of this game should says

3642
02:42:37,050 --> 02:42:34,990
to the the police I'm the steward of

3643
02:42:39,660 --> 02:42:37,060
this club it was started in the steward

3644
02:42:41,969 --> 02:42:39,670
for six or seven years he was 26 at the

3645
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:41,979
time means he was the steward from 19

3646
02:42:46,679 --> 02:42:45,520
but the club was started in 1885 so that

3647
02:42:48,719 --> 02:42:46,689
was only two and a half three years

3648
02:42:51,480 --> 02:42:48,729
before the killings so how did he get

3649
02:42:54,780 --> 02:42:51,490
six or seven years couldn't that's a lie

3650
02:42:56,910 --> 02:42:54,790
why why the lie we look at cause Brodsky

3651
02:42:58,860 --> 02:42:56,920
he was 17 or 18 at the time he was

3652
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:58,870
arrested with team shirts six months

3653
02:43:02,550 --> 02:43:00,160
later in that crime I told you about

3654
02:43:05,010 --> 02:43:02,560
where they rioted and you know it had

3655
02:43:06,420 --> 02:43:05,020
all these ties to the double event he's

3656
02:43:08,670 --> 02:43:06,430
the only other guy that claims to have

3657
02:43:11,250 --> 02:43:08,680
seen grapes in the girl's hand in in

3658
02:43:13,320 --> 02:43:11,260
strides hand he lived right near Mary

3659
02:43:16,290 --> 02:43:13,330
Jane Kelly he lived right on the same

3660
02:43:17,880 --> 02:43:16,300
street as her it near the gasworks in

3661
02:43:19,679 --> 02:43:17,890
Stepney before she moved to the house

3662
02:43:20,250 --> 02:43:19,689
she was murdered in but when she when he

3663
02:43:22,170 --> 02:43:20,260
was younger

3664
02:43:25,469 --> 02:43:22,180
well he still lived there but she lived

3665
02:43:27,290 --> 02:43:25,479
right next to him um years before she

3666
02:43:30,630 --> 02:43:27,300
she was murdered in the new house and

3667
02:43:32,040 --> 02:43:30,640
closed Brodsky I found a burglary

3668
02:43:34,500 --> 02:43:32,050
conviction for a guy called Samuel

3669
02:43:37,020 --> 02:43:34,510
Friedman who would have been 19 years

3670
02:43:38,610 --> 02:43:37,030
old in 1888 I believe that that was

3671
02:43:40,830 --> 02:43:38,620
close Brodsky that was arrested in a

3672
02:43:42,840 --> 02:43:40,840
used Friedman's name I can't prove it

3673
02:43:44,370 --> 02:43:42,850
but I will eventually hopefully right

3674
02:43:45,540 --> 02:43:44,380
now talking about Friedman he's the guy

3675
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:45,550
I told you that had the rape conviction

3676
02:43:50,880 --> 02:43:47,680
right and the burglary conviction in his

3677
02:43:53,400 --> 02:43:50,890
name he was 41 or 42 at the time he

3678
02:43:54,570 --> 02:43:53,410
lived right by that decoy knife or the

3679
02:43:57,320 --> 02:43:54,580
nice that the bloody knife that was

3680
02:44:01,530 --> 02:43:57,330
found by PC Drage he had a tailor shop

3681
02:44:03,719 --> 02:44:01,540
right near the club and you know let's

3682
02:44:05,730 --> 02:44:03,729
talk about the tailor you know Dean

3683
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:05,740
shuts his wife closed Brodsky and

3684
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:08,770
Friedman were all hat makers now there's

3685
02:44:12,990 --> 02:44:11,200
a hat connection to these crimes they're

3686
02:44:14,760 --> 02:44:13,000
you know some of the victims their hat

3687
02:44:16,889 --> 02:44:14,770
was found like right next to the body

3688
02:44:19,170 --> 02:44:16,899
right next to the head how did it fall

3689
02:44:21,150 --> 02:44:19,180
off right next to their head I believe

3690
02:44:22,889 --> 02:44:21,160
it was removed the hat pin was taken out

3691
02:44:25,290 --> 02:44:22,899
and maybe kept as a souvenir piece of

3692
02:44:27,929 --> 02:44:25,300
costume jewelry that may be deemed ships

3693
02:44:29,460 --> 02:44:27,939
would have sold to the girls but you

3694
02:44:30,810 --> 02:44:29,470
know the hat doesn't fall off at the end

3695
02:44:31,860 --> 02:44:30,820
of the struggle it falls off at the

3696
02:44:34,110 --> 02:44:31,870
getting of the struggle if it's not

3697
02:44:36,570 --> 02:44:34,120
pinned to the head so why was it right

3698
02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:36,580
next to the head you know all my guys

3699
02:44:40,291 --> 02:44:38,530
were hat were involved in the hat making

3700
02:44:42,810 --> 02:44:40,301
industry except team shirts his wife was

3701
02:44:45,360 --> 02:44:42,820
though and and the the Ripper himself

3702
02:44:48,570 --> 02:44:45,370
was described by witnesses as wearing a

3703
02:44:50,940 --> 02:44:48,580
large number of hats and coat you know a

3704
02:44:52,860 --> 02:44:50,950
wide awake at a Billy [\h__\h] had a peaked

3705
02:44:55,080 --> 02:44:52,870
cap a deerstalker cap like Sherlock

3706
02:44:56,791 --> 02:44:55,090
Holmes wears a Yankee cap with felt hat

3707
02:44:59,370 --> 02:44:56,801
cloth cap around cap

3708
02:45:01,171 --> 02:44:59,380
ad nauseum he was described as wearing a

3709
02:45:03,810 --> 02:45:01,181
number of coats at a stroke n which is

3710
02:45:06,120 --> 02:45:03,820
the the traditional Jewish code cutaway

3711
02:45:07,890 --> 02:45:06,130
called overcoat frock coat you know long

3712
02:45:10,801 --> 02:45:07,900
coat morning suit as in mourning a death

3713
02:45:13,230 --> 02:45:10,811
P jacket who would have access to all

3714
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:13,240
these hats and coats but a tailor or a

3715
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:16,960
hat maker so you know that that piece it

3716
02:45:21,330 --> 02:45:19,120
doesn't convict them by any means but it

3717
02:45:23,580 --> 02:45:21,340
just it adds to you know the suspicion

3718
02:45:26,341 --> 02:45:23,590
you know his wife Dean shits his wife

3719
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:26,351
Sarah Anna the weak Constitution that he

3720
02:45:30,060 --> 02:45:28,000
was worried about panicking when he

3721
02:45:32,100 --> 02:45:30,070
found the body quote unquote mmm she

3722
02:45:35,430 --> 02:45:32,110
attacks a policeman with a hair broom

3723
02:45:36,810 --> 02:45:35,440
you know and Kropotkin the person I

3724
02:45:39,381 --> 02:45:36,820
believe funded the whole thing he

3725
02:45:42,541 --> 02:45:39,391
started the club Prince Petr Alekseevich

3726
02:45:45,091 --> 02:45:42,551
Kropotkin he was in prison twice for

3727
02:45:47,850 --> 02:45:45,101
what for hiring people to kill others

3728
02:45:49,261 --> 02:45:47,860
for political gain he was ejected from

3729
02:45:50,940 --> 02:45:49,271
Switzerland under suspicion of

3730
02:45:53,310 --> 02:45:50,950
involvement in the assassination of tsar

3731
02:45:54,631 --> 02:45:53,320
alexander ii you know it's hard to get

3732
02:45:56,610 --> 02:45:54,641
ejected from switzerland they're very

3733
02:45:58,650 --> 02:45:56,620
neutral right he was in prison and he

3734
02:46:00,410 --> 02:45:58,660
was forced to leave switzerland at the

3735
02:46:03,060 --> 02:46:00,420
insistence of the russian government and

3736
02:46:04,980 --> 02:46:03,070
he received numerous death threats from

3737
02:46:06,450 --> 02:46:04,990
the russian holy league which was

3738
02:46:11,251 --> 02:46:06,460
organized to protect the Czarist regime

3739
02:46:13,381 --> 02:46:11,261
right he he was he was actually targeted

3740
02:46:15,390 --> 02:46:13,391
by them you know later on in France

3741
02:46:16,770 --> 02:46:15,400
Kropotkin was arrested again under

3742
02:46:19,261 --> 02:46:16,780
suspicion that he played a role in

3743
02:46:20,730 --> 02:46:19,271
terrorist attacks and leon's you know

3744
02:46:22,801 --> 02:46:20,740
they never could prove it but he was

3745
02:46:25,051 --> 02:46:22,811
still imprisoned and spent three years

3746
02:46:26,551 --> 02:46:25,061
in Clairvaux prison and after his

3747
02:46:29,940 --> 02:46:26,561
imprisonment he was expelled yet again

3748
02:46:31,890 --> 02:46:29,950
and then he settled in in London you

3749
02:46:34,200 --> 02:46:31,900
know in his writings he names anarchism

3750
02:46:36,291 --> 02:46:34,210
you know as his cause and he names the

3751
02:46:38,791 --> 02:46:36,301
two greatest enemies of anarchism as

3752
02:46:40,261 --> 02:46:38,801
Christianity and capitalism which I've

3753
02:46:42,990 --> 02:46:40,271
pointed out earlier were the main

3754
02:46:44,370 --> 02:46:43,000
targets of the Ripper killings you know

3755
02:46:46,580 --> 02:46:44,380
he made stay

3756
02:46:48,929 --> 02:46:46,590
where he praises Jack the Ripper and

3757
02:46:50,399 --> 02:46:48,939
basically makes excuses for Jack the

3758
02:46:52,679 --> 02:46:50,409
Ripper because I think he knew that

3759
02:46:55,620 --> 02:46:52,689
someday someone would uncover him and he

3760
02:46:59,490 --> 02:46:55,630
wanted his readers his followers to sort

3761
02:47:01,229 --> 02:46:59,500
of say well I know why he did it did and

3762
02:47:02,880 --> 02:47:01,239
they either built a church well let me

3763
02:47:04,559 --> 02:47:02,890
ask you this early crowd I want to run

3764
02:47:09,500 --> 02:47:04,569
out of time when I get this in did any

3765
02:47:12,120 --> 02:47:09,510
of them escape back to Russia do we know

3766
02:47:15,870 --> 02:47:12,130
you know the fellow up on any of them

3767
02:47:18,389 --> 02:47:15,880
what happened well what we what I do

3768
02:47:20,460 --> 02:47:18,399
know is this Kropotkin appeared just

3769
02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:20,470
after the last murder of Francis calls

3770
02:47:24,750 --> 02:47:22,720
appeared with Stempniak who I mentioned

3771
02:47:28,019 --> 02:47:24,760
a nice murderer and playwright writer

3772
02:47:29,460 --> 02:47:28,029
from Russia he appeared at the IWM EC it

3773
02:47:33,179 --> 02:47:29,470
was in the newspaper I've got it all in

3774
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:33,189
on record on my website and he said all

3775
02:47:39,929 --> 02:47:36,010
of you Russians need to return with me

3776
02:47:42,479 --> 02:47:39,939
to Russia immediately to fight the good

3777
02:47:45,149 --> 02:47:42,489
fight you know for the proletariat

3778
02:47:46,830 --> 02:47:45,159
against the bourgeoisie I need all of

3779
02:47:48,630 --> 02:47:46,840
you Russians to return back to Russia

3780
02:47:50,580 --> 02:47:48,640
with me and I think he did that to

3781
02:47:52,200 --> 02:47:50,590
extract his man after the mission was

3782
02:47:54,330 --> 02:47:52,210
completed he knew it was getting hot

3783
02:47:56,099 --> 02:47:54,340
he knew that Demuth's had been arrested

3784
02:47:57,570 --> 02:47:56,109
with the other two for an unrelated

3785
02:47:59,399 --> 02:47:57,580
crime but he thought somebody's going to

3786
02:48:02,130 --> 02:47:59,409
figure this out right and he extracted

3787
02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:02,140
his man after the operation that he

3788
02:48:07,500 --> 02:48:04,810
organized and funded so you know there's

3789
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:07,510
I don't have and I will get it though

3790
02:48:12,540 --> 02:48:10,090
when I when I eventually get funding

3791
02:48:14,820 --> 02:48:12,550
from saying you know A&E or history or

3792
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,830
somebody that that maybe want to do a

3793
02:48:20,219 --> 02:48:17,920
show with me I'm going to find that it

3794
02:48:22,260 --> 02:48:20,229
the exact records of him leaving but but

3795
02:48:26,760 --> 02:48:22,270
I do know that in the census taken after

3796
02:48:29,849 --> 02:48:26,770
1891 Sarah Anna is listed in the census

3797
02:48:32,160 --> 02:48:29,859
as being a married woman living alone no

3798
02:48:35,210 --> 02:48:32,170
mention of Louis steamships anymore the

3799
02:48:39,210 --> 02:48:35,220
wife is still there but he's got um

3800
02:48:41,700 --> 02:48:39,220
Friedman after the arrest he remained a

3801
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:41,710
fugitive he bailed he didn't show up for

3802
02:48:46,559 --> 02:48:44,050
sentencing deme shits went to prison in

3803
02:48:48,780 --> 02:48:46,569
Pentonville prison for his part in those

3804
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:48,790
riots that I talked about but and

3805
02:48:53,370 --> 02:48:51,010
because Brodsky got off with a fine and

3806
02:48:55,380 --> 02:48:53,380
Friedman never showed up for court he

3807
02:48:57,939 --> 02:48:55,390
remained a fugitive and nobody ever

3808
02:49:00,519 --> 02:48:57,949
knows what happened to him after that

3809
02:49:03,460 --> 02:49:00,529
so I don't have evidence that they left

3810
02:49:06,610 --> 02:49:03,470
but my guess is that deems shirts left

3811
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:06,620
with Kropotkin that Friedman may have

3812
02:49:12,760 --> 02:49:10,010
left or may have been murdered may have

3813
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:12,770
lived out his life you know I would

3814
02:49:16,540 --> 02:49:14,720
guess that probably we would find out

3815
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:16,550
that cause Brodsky died in the tragic

3816
02:49:20,590 --> 02:49:19,130
horse and buggy accident and Friedman

3817
02:49:21,910 --> 02:49:20,600
hanged himself for something and nobody

3818
02:49:24,309 --> 02:49:21,920
even bothered caring because they were

3819
02:49:26,500 --> 02:49:24,319
just footnotes in the case right and

3820
02:49:28,570 --> 02:49:26,510
maybe Kropotkin and deem shit's wanted

3821
02:49:31,260 --> 02:49:28,580
that maybe tidy up loose ends but I

3822
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:31,270
can't prove that eventually I hope -

3823
02:49:37,719 --> 02:49:34,970
fascinating fascinating I you're onto

3824
02:49:40,439 --> 02:49:37,729
something and it's put together

3825
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:40,449
correctly I think that all of the other

3826
02:49:48,460 --> 02:49:44,000
all of the other approaches to this have

3827
02:49:52,450 --> 02:49:48,470
been what do I want to you know done for

3828
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:52,460
sensationalism right that not based on

3829
02:49:57,700 --> 02:49:55,279
factor or historical stuff it's done to

3830
02:50:00,250 --> 02:49:57,710
sell books and and and make a movie and

3831
02:50:02,110 --> 02:50:00,260
and have fun with it this is so right

3832
02:50:06,330 --> 02:50:02,120
yes all right I couldn't agree more

3833
02:50:08,679 --> 02:50:06,340
now where can everybody get the book

3834
02:50:11,800 --> 02:50:08,689
well it's available the easiest way to

3835
02:50:14,889 --> 02:50:11,810
get it is on amazon.com you can get it

3836
02:50:17,410 --> 02:50:14,899
you know Amazon UK Amazon USA although

3837
02:50:21,519 --> 02:50:17,420
all Amazon sites carry it it comes in

3838
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:21,529
kindle paperback a hardback and you know

3839
02:50:25,870 --> 02:50:24,170
what I do for my readers I've been doing

3840
02:50:28,780 --> 02:50:25,880
this and people seem to like it when

3841
02:50:30,700 --> 02:50:28,790
they buy the book they if they write to

3842
02:50:33,160 --> 02:50:30,710
me on my website which is Randy Williams

3843
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:33,170
versus chapter 4 on Facebook if they

3844
02:50:38,830 --> 02:50:35,210
write to me what I do is I have these

3845
02:50:41,649 --> 02:50:38,840
these sort of ornamental stickers that I

3846
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:41,659
signed and then I mailed the stickers to

3847
02:50:44,979 --> 02:50:43,130
the reader and they stick it inside the

3848
02:50:47,139 --> 02:50:44,989
book so it's kind of like having a

3849
02:50:48,969 --> 02:50:47,149
signed copy yeah very cool and so

3850
02:50:50,710 --> 02:50:48,979
anybody that buys the book I do that you

3851
02:50:52,719 --> 02:50:50,720
know I I picked up the expense you know

3852
02:50:56,200 --> 02:50:52,729
because I am grateful that they they're

3853
02:50:57,639 --> 02:50:56,210
supporting me but amazon.com and if you

3854
02:50:59,200 --> 02:50:57,649
go to my pages there's all kind of links

3855
02:51:01,540 --> 02:50:59,210
you know that my facebook page for the

3856
02:51:03,010 --> 02:51:01,550
book I really want your readers to look

3857
02:51:06,040 --> 02:51:03,020
at the YouTube page it's called the

3858
02:51:08,530 --> 02:51:06,050
McCarthy letter in which I analyzed this

3859
02:51:10,899 --> 02:51:08,540
letter and show this bizarre sketch that

3860
02:51:11,529 --> 02:51:10,909
was done and in the sketch are encrypted

3861
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:11,539
the names of

3862
02:51:16,359 --> 02:51:13,760
Louis team shirts echoes Brodsky Samuel

3863
02:51:18,580 --> 02:51:16,369
Friedman and Prince copepod Caen the the

3864
02:51:20,469 --> 02:51:18,590
drawings of two guys murdering a girl

3865
02:51:23,170 --> 02:51:20,479
while while a third guy stands guard and

3866
02:51:24,179 --> 02:51:23,180
the drawings are made up of the letters

3867
02:51:26,649 --> 02:51:24,189
of their names

3868
02:51:28,719 --> 02:51:26,659
soon I did an animation that shows where

3869
02:51:32,439 --> 02:51:28,729
the letters are hidden it's absolutely

3870
02:51:35,290 --> 02:51:32,449
fascinating and everybody the links not

3871
02:51:36,969 --> 02:51:35,300
only for Facebook but Amazon are over I

3872
02:51:39,069 --> 02:51:36,979
think we have the youtube link too as

3873
02:51:40,450 --> 02:51:39,079
well over at Jimmy Church radio calm you

3874
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:40,460
can just click right there it'll take

3875
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:42,800
you straight to Randi what a fascinating

3876
02:51:46,149 --> 02:51:44,810
conversation tonight and what I can't

3877
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:46,159
imagine a better way to spend a

3878
02:51:51,819 --> 02:51:48,800
Halloween Randy Williams the best thank

3879
02:51:53,380 --> 02:51:51,829
you so much my friend what a pleasure

3880
02:51:54,819 --> 02:51:53,390
it's been I want to thank you so much

3881
02:51:56,319 --> 02:51:54,829
I'm really looking forward to tomorrow's

3882
02:52:01,450 --> 02:51:56,329
show as well because I'm a stone circle

3883
02:52:02,859 --> 02:52:01,460
guy and you know the best part of a

3884
02:52:04,929 --> 02:52:02,869
degree is the pub right in the middle of

3885
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,939
the circle I know right you know I'm

3886
02:52:08,380 --> 02:52:06,560
really I'm looking forward to hearing

3887
02:52:11,349 --> 02:52:08,390
Newman because you know like I said I've

3888
02:52:13,420 --> 02:52:11,359
been to Stonehenge you know I love the I

3889
02:52:14,739 --> 02:52:13,430
love all that and I'm really looking for

3890
02:52:18,279 --> 02:52:14,749
I loved last night's show with Dave

3891
02:52:20,830 --> 02:52:18,289
Schrader friend of mine man thank you

3892
02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:20,840
for being a fader not in a fan and and

3893
02:52:25,809 --> 02:52:23,930
paying attention to to the show on what

3894
02:52:27,309 --> 02:52:25,819
we do man it just means so much thank

3895
02:52:30,010 --> 02:52:27,319
you so much Randy fascinating

3896
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:30,020
conversation yeah my pleasure I'm a rip

3897
02:52:36,729 --> 02:52:34,010
or not to rip or not Thank You Randy and

3898
02:52:38,859 --> 02:52:36,739
and go hand out some candy enjoy the

3899
02:52:41,590 --> 02:52:38,869
rest of your Halloween tonight and we'll

3900
02:52:44,620 --> 02:52:41,600
speak very soon thank you so much it has

3901
02:52:46,510 --> 02:52:44,630
been an absolute pleasure I so enjoyed

3902
02:52:48,760 --> 02:52:46,520
this conversation thank you so much for

3903
02:52:49,660 --> 02:52:48,770
having me thanks to your listeners for

3904
02:52:52,239 --> 02:52:49,670
hearing me out

3905
02:52:53,950 --> 02:52:52,249
I can't think enough it's been a real

3906
02:52:57,000 --> 02:52:53,960
terrific pleasure yeah thank you so much

3907
02:53:00,580 --> 02:52:57,010
Randy and we'll speak soon thank you

3908
02:53:02,889 --> 02:53:00,590
great conversation now the links for

3909
02:53:06,599 --> 02:53:02,899
rent man what a Halloween show

3910
02:53:09,519 --> 02:53:06,609
absolutely just I'm stunned I'm stunned

3911
02:53:12,040 --> 02:53:09,529
the links for Randy are over to me

3912
02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:12,050
church radio calm the Facebook links are

3913
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:15,289
right there and Amazon as well the book

3914
02:53:20,260 --> 02:53:17,930
is a fascinating read and I hope

3915
02:53:22,059 --> 02:53:20,270
everybody learned something tonight and

3916
02:53:24,131 --> 02:53:22,069
again happy Halloween to everybody

3917
02:53:25,780 --> 02:53:24,141
there's a couple of things I had

3918
02:53:29,770 --> 02:53:25,790
at the beginning of the show tonight

3919
02:53:32,591 --> 02:53:29,780
about the news and these news cycles

3920
02:53:36,791 --> 02:53:32,601
that were going through I have no idea

3921
02:53:38,980 --> 02:53:36,801
what tomorrow is going to bring but our

3922
02:53:41,620 --> 02:53:38,990
recent history and the way that we have

3923
02:53:44,230 --> 02:53:41,630
been dealing with these news cycles the

3924
02:53:47,291 --> 02:53:44,240
news being topped from the day before

3925
02:53:48,671 --> 02:53:47,301
every single day I just can't imagine

3926
02:53:50,501 --> 02:53:48,681
what tomorrow's gonna bring we'll

3927
02:53:53,291 --> 02:53:50,511
discuss that tomorrow night on the show

3928
02:53:57,131 --> 02:53:53,301
but I had mentioned one of the things

3929
02:54:01,001 --> 02:53:57,141
that was overshadowed in the new cycle

3930
02:54:04,480 --> 02:54:01,011
lately is the Las Vegas shooting right

3931
02:54:07,450 --> 02:54:04,490
Mandalay Bay Steven paddock well right

3932
02:54:10,511 --> 02:54:07,460
here right here in the valley not too

3933
02:54:12,370 --> 02:54:10,521
far from the bunker and again this just

3934
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:12,380
went through the news cycle and

3935
02:54:16,961 --> 02:54:14,210
disappeared but I found this very

3936
02:54:20,831 --> 02:54:16,971
interesting and that is Steven paddocks

3937
02:54:22,720 --> 02:54:20,841
brother was arrested last Wednesday

3938
02:54:24,370 --> 02:54:22,730
right here in the valley in North

3939
02:54:27,341 --> 02:54:24,380
Hollywood just a couple of blocks from

3940
02:54:29,770 --> 02:54:27,351
the bunker and his name is Bruce Bruce

3941
02:54:32,740 --> 02:54:29,780
paddock 59 years old he's taken into

3942
02:54:37,421 --> 02:54:32,750
custody at an assisted living facility

3943
02:54:41,230 --> 02:54:37,431
right here and he was arrested for child

3944
02:54:44,410 --> 02:54:41,240
pornography now what is interesting here

3945
02:54:46,990 --> 02:54:44,420
now talk about coincidences and it is

3946
02:54:50,320 --> 02:54:47,000
beyond the scope but he had been

3947
02:54:52,660 --> 02:54:50,330
investigated for a long time now what

3948
02:54:54,640 --> 02:54:52,670
were the odds of they are saying that

3949
02:55:00,450 --> 02:54:54,650
they were investigating him going back

3950
02:55:03,100 --> 02:55:00,460
to January in August of 2014 and that he

3951
02:55:06,551 --> 02:55:03,110
exchanged photographs and and so forth

3952
02:55:08,020 --> 02:55:06,561
now what is interesting they said that

3953
02:55:10,360 --> 02:55:08,030
he was homeless but he's got a laptop

3954
02:55:15,900 --> 02:55:10,370
computer right that's got these images

3955
02:55:19,180 --> 02:55:15,910
on it the the way to silence somebody

3956
02:55:20,921 --> 02:55:19,190
anybody is child porn right and that's

3957
02:55:22,780 --> 02:55:20,931
how the feds do it there's just no

3958
02:55:27,341 --> 02:55:22,790
question about it but they were

3959
02:55:30,761 --> 02:55:27,351
investigating the brother of a killer

3960
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:30,771
that just shot and killed 59 people and

3961
02:55:35,560 --> 02:55:32,960
wounded I had countless others in Las

3962
02:55:36,600 --> 02:55:35,570
Vegas what are the odds of this actually

3963
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:36,610
going down

3964
02:55:41,310 --> 02:55:38,080
we're talking about seven and a half

3965
02:55:44,430 --> 02:55:41,320
billion people in the world right the

3966
02:55:46,580 --> 02:55:44,440
odds of that killer and his brother and

3967
02:55:49,860 --> 02:55:46,590
his brother being investigated for child

3968
02:55:52,620 --> 02:55:49,870
pornography leading up to this and now

3969
02:55:55,801 --> 02:55:52,630
his brother is shut away and nobody can

3970
02:55:58,500 --> 02:55:55,811
talk to him and he is silenced if that

3971
02:56:00,990 --> 02:55:58,510
isn't a conspiracy man there is

3972
02:56:04,740 --> 02:56:01,000
something funky going on in this case

3973
02:56:08,400 --> 02:56:04,750
and it is now so deeply covered up and

3974
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:08,410
buried in in the news cycle it may never

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this man okay I've got so much more

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like for instance last week the the

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nikola tesla docks were were revealed

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right here on right on the internet and

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the the fbi.gov web site nobody talked

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about it the tesla docks think about

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